sway and strut bars

[cosmicspd3]

I see that autoexec had some underbody and interior hatch sway/strut bars but are really expensive.

Anyone seen or have these?
Rear cross floor bar:
http://i15.ebayimg.com/06/i/08/30/0a/37_1.JPG
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazdaspeed3-Mazda3-Rear-Cross-Floor-bar-Mazda-3-SP23_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el126 2QQcategoryZ33591QQihZ010QQitemZ200081981208QQtcZp hoto

Rear end lower strut bar:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1057120/8410102799-DSC02337k.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda3-Rear-End-lower-strut-bar-Mazda-3-SP23-4-5door_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el12 62QQcategoryZ33591QQihZ010QQitemZ200082715791QQtcZ photo

Front lower strut bar:
http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/c5/45/cd_1.JPG
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda3-front-lower-strut-bar-Mazda-3-SP23-4-5door_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el12 62QQcategoryZ33591QQihZ010QQitemZ200082717020QQtcZ photo

Rear middle lower strut bar:
http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/62/7b/81_1_b.JPG
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda3-rear-middle-lower-strut-bar-Mazda-3-SP23-4-5door_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el12 62QQcategoryZ33646QQihZ010QQitemZ200082719058QQtcZ photo

[Slim]

Anything autoexe is pricey.

IMHO, sway bars=good. Can improve body roll.

Strut bars are not usually worth the cost for what you get. Seems more like a visual mod than adding much performance. Therefore, Strut bars FTL.

[Workdawg]

http://www.cobbtuning.com/categories/?id=3405

[cosmicspd3]

Oh Im totally getting the cobb antisways but was wondering about those bars, they go in different spots than the cobb ones and hotchkis.

[dmention7]

That's because sway bars and strut bars serve 2 different purposes. Sway bars attach to the suspension components to (simply put) reduce body roll.

Strut bars attach between points on the frame to decrease the amount of flex in your fram when the suspension components are stressed.

[cosmicspd3]

That's because sway bars and strut bars serve 2 different purposes. Sway bars attach to the suspension components to (simply put) reduce body roll.

Strut bars attach between points on the frame to decrease the amount of flex in your fram when the suspension components are stressed.

Yeah I know :rockon: but does anyone have them?? :D

[Young Roids]

There are a couple problems with sway bars. First the front sway bar is a royal pain to put in. On my old car that I had I went to like 5 shops and nobody would put in the front swaybar and the MS3 is no different it is a big job to put it in. The rear bar is super easy install. Second problem I have had with sway bars is that they are stiffer than the stock swaybar so they will snap endlinks. I would not use an aftemarket swaybar without some sort of extra strong aftermarket endlinks.

[dmention7]

I have never heard of anyone snapping endlinks on a mazda3 or MS3.... I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say they "will" snap endlinks.

[cosmicspd3]

I have never heard of anyone snapping endlinks on a mazda3 or MS3.... I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say they "will" snap endlinks.

yeah never heard of anyone snapping them on the ms3 or a vibe. haha I know the fronts are always whores to put in :bullrider: . Thats why lots of people just do the rear. If i do the front there will be much :beerfunnel2: involved. I think I've seen stronger endlinks though...I know of some people custom making them too....

[Young Roids]

Just my experience from my other car that I had. I snapped the endlinks all the time. Maybe MS3 endinks are strong and they wont break.

[dmention7]

Another argument for doing the rears only is that FWD cars usually understeer like mad. Stiffening up the rear swaybar tends to make the handling a bit more neutral.

[Workdawg]

Cobbs products were designed and tested on their MS3, I think if they were going to break endlinks, Cobb would do something about that.

[JustROLLIN]

Another argument for doing the rears only is that FWD cars usually understeer like mad. Stiffening up the rear swaybar tends to make the handling a bit more neutral.

I know that most FWD guys stick with the rear sway bar for that reason alone. Typically the results are more profound when doing just the rear. I know the Honda guys swore by the rear sway bar only.

[cosmicspd3]

hmmm yes thats what I heard for the vibe/trix too. Maybe I'll do just the rear for the mean time this summer and see how I like it. As for those bars on ebay, the only one that seems worth while is the front lower end link one, all the other braces are going near or over stock brace/body parts.

[mndsm]

Honda guys also swear by Type R badges, so I don't trust them for shit. But, the rest of the info is true. I was looking into a rear sway myself in the future.

[JustROLLIN]

Honda guys also swear by Type R badges, so I don't trust them for shit. But, the rest of the info is true. I was looking into a rear sway myself in the future.

Get over it Tom. Regardless of what you may think the Honda community has some positive things to offer.

[Workdawg]

Besides targets for jokes and stuff to laugh at?

[mndsm]

Get over it Tom. Regardless of what you may think the Honda community has some positive things to offer.

Never. I realize that the Honda community may have positive things to offer, but I refuse to believe that they are the heart and soul of the Sport Compact movement. I think it could have easily happened to any car, but it happened to be Honda.

[JustROLLIN]

Never. I realize that the Honda community may have positive things to offer, but I refuse to believe that they are the heart and soul of the Sport Compact movement. I think it could have easily happened to any car, but it happened to be Honda.

I am not an editor for Sport Compact Car; I didnt claim Honda was the heart and soul of the movement. I was merely stating that info I learned on the Honda side of world can easily be translated over to the Mazda side. I hate the Honda owners with Type-R badges as much as anyone, but thats not to say Mazda owners arent guilty of the same rice.

[dmention7]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[Slim]

Stop the Import on Import violence!

Can't we all just get along?

I thought I read a blog about this...

[mndsm]

I am not an editor for Sport Compact Car; I didnt claim Honda was the heart and soul of the movement. I was merely stating that info I learned on the Honda side of world can easily be translated over to the Mazda side. I hate the Honda owners with Type-R badges as much as anyone, but thats not to say Mazda owners arent guilty of the same rice.

True. I just hate Hondas a lot, and you know that about me. And there are plenty of riced out Mazdas out there, just the same as there are some fast Hondas. No one need look further than the Hasport CRX for that.

[cosmicspd3]

are there going to be pillows involved in this fight...cuz i think thats how porno's start.

[mndsm]

Dude, I am so NOT pillowfighting Joe. That just ain't right.

[Young Roids]

Cobbs products were designed and tested on their MS3, I think if they were going to break endlinks, Cobb would do something about that.

hey could very well be fine on an MS3 I just don't know exactly how thorough COBB's testing is.

[mndsm]

I'd imagine it was fairly thorough... you don't generally earn the rep that Cobb has by building wack parts. I know another member on here had Hotchkis stuff on his ride, and he liked them. I'd love to get a rear sway for my car... the only thing that worried me is the tendency for the thing to snap oversteer at the limit. Granted it's probably because I drive like a dope, but it still scares the hell out of me.

[dmention7]

Another thing we can learn from the Honda crowd, tom.... it's not called "snap oversteer" it's called "MAD TYTE DORIFTO!!!"

[Workdawg]

There was a thread about "snap oversteer" on m3f and the general consensus it the person who posted about it was actually inducing lift-off oversteer and didn't realize it.

Also, wasn't it AJ with who kept a picture of Joe in his pocket?

[dmention7]

I would agree that lift-off oversteer is probably more likely to happen on most street conditions. You hit that cloverleaf a bit too hot, and when you lift off the gas to scrub some speed, the rear end gets a bit light, and the next thing you know it's starting to swing around on you.

It's a bit less scary on snow tires since the breakaway is pretty progressive, but I've felt that pit in my stomach in the middle of a long large radius ramp when you feel the weight suddenly transfer off your rear inside corner.