Discussion in 'The Official Topics' started by Tauni, Jul 14, 2009.
I'll start by just putting everything I have said so far...
Ok I've touched a bit on discs, so now I'll talk about the actual act of playing/throwing.
As I said, the facts I gave in my previous posts are based on a Right Hand Back Hand throw which is considered to be the traditional way of throwing. However this doesn't mean lefties can't play or even that that is the only way of throwing. Other common throws are the sidearm, rollers and the tomahawk, which I won't really cover here, as those are a little more advanced than I think we need to get into. The best piece of advice I can give is not to be afraid of looking stupid. It seems like a lot of new players have some sort of anxiety about that. The next thing I would say is hold your disc firmly and confidently. I recommend holding the disc with all four fingers under the rim, though that's just my opinion, different people hold their discs differently. The next and most important tip is to keep the disc low and level at the time of release. Most n00bs tend to go "nose up" when they throw (meaning the front of the disc is tilted up), which leads to the disc flying more up than getting the distance needed to make it to the pin, and often leads to your disc going rogue.
Since it is easier to show you what I mean than tell you, here are some great videos that can help you out.
Here is a good video that has a local Pro, Cale Leiviska, in it. This video shows guys who are really REALLY good and is mostly about improving distance, but the point I'm trying to make is to look at what they are doing. Watch their form and follow-through and listen to what they say, as they give some great tips to keep in mind.
Here are a few other good ones, some with better info than others, some with some major burnouts, but you get the idea.
[video=youtube;XkOE6TAMrY4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkOE6TAMrY4[/video] <--- pretty damn good vid, guy knows what he's talking about
[video=youtube;H1QVLQriAlM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1QVLQriAlM[/video] <---- this video shows the different kinds of throws out there
Hope this gets your game going!
Well I'm bored so I'm going to write some more on technique.
Matt asked me to touch on how to control the height of your drive. This is an EXCELLENT question, something everyone has problems with in the beginning. The great thing about figuring out how to control your drives is it gives you a big stride in your game.
As a beginner, most people will start with both feet planted firmly on the ground. This is a good way to start achieving that control, and eventually will lead into either taking a few steps before you throw or even a running start. So as you are standing there contemplating your throw and how you will make the disc go where you want it and how high you want it, the first thing to look at is how the disc is placed in your hand. How you really hold a disc is mostly up to you (though I will say it normally will evolve as you improve your throw). Some styles of holding the disc are to have all four fingers under the rim, or to have the fore finger along the side of the rim with your other 3 fingers under the rim. Mainly, the important thing is to hold it firmly. A lot of beginners tend to just kind of hang on to the disc, but your hold on the disc should firm, as well as comfortable. In time there can be more specific things to think about as far as holding the disc, but for now just concentrate on having a firm hold on the disc.
Now as you are going to throw, its a good idea to really see what exactly you are doing when you throw, but since I can't see you and give you tips based on your own personal throw, I have a few general tips on how to achieve good control. The first thing to think of is as you are coming through your throw, remember to keep the disc level. As I have said before, a lot of beginners tend to let go of the disc nose up. A good exercise to practice keeping the disc level is to stand in an open space with your disc in your hand as you would normally throw it (still keeping it firm!). Place your throwing arm in a level position, almost as if that is how you would be just before letting go (aka: elbow pretty much at a 90 degree angle, wrist pointed inward), then place your other hand at the same level as your throwing hand, flat out as if you are resting it on a table. Then simply pivot your body back and forth (again simulating your throw), all the while making sure your throwing wrist stays level. Generally, this helps your muscle memory keep your wrist, and, by extension, your disc, level. However, throwing nose up isn't the only cause of throwing a disc to high. People also tend to swing their arm up as they follow through. It is much like throwing nose up, but instead is your entire arm's fault. The previous exercise I explain will also help control this. This exercise is a good way to see exactly what your entire body (arms, wrist, elbow especially) NEEDS to do, while imprinting the right actions into your muscle memory. A good analogy for actions your should be making is wiping off a table.
The last bit of advice I will give is a bit more advanced, but definitely something to start working on. If you take a few steps walking start, also try to bend your knees more as you are throwing. Corey always told me "Keep it five feet above the ground." If you bend your knees and your body, while still keeping your arm and wrist under control as I talked about before, you will learn to control the height of your disc. Corey has also said to think of letting go of your disc no higher than boob level.
So, as a closing statement, just remember: keep your disc firm, your wrist and arm level, throw no higher than your boobies, and just be confident. If you keep all this in mind, do those exercises, and practice practice practice, you will undoubtedly see an improvement in the height and distance of your throw.
I'm interested to know what you guys are all playing with...
I found this link:
Has some nice definiations and explains different stats and plastics, what do you think of the info they give T?
Right now I have:
DX Beast for those over the water shots that I fear loosing a disc in lol.
I'm planning to pickup another DX distance driver since from what I'm understanding they might be a little easier to control first starting out than the better plastics, do you agree with that?
I'm planning on adding a bunch more discs to play around with, probably a Orc or TeeRex, a TeeBird or TL, a mid range of some sort and Birdie I think
What do you mean you are using the DX Beast for over the water shots? Just because it's faster???
Personally, I have always had at least Champ plastic (except my Leopard which is an old styler and I don't hardly use that one anymore anyways). The way I have always seen it is that I am NEVER going to get better playing with "easy" discs. But on that same spectrum, I'm not going to pick up a Champ Boss or Groove and claim I can throw it that well.
The Orc is a really fun discs. Corey has one and I REALLY REALLY want one. The TeeRex I don't think I would recommend just yet for anyone. I have one and so does Corey and it is a BITCH to control, goes RIDICULOUSLY left. I would suggest a RoadRunner or a Sidewinder. They are a little slower but still great, a little easier to control.
One piece of advice I have a hard time taking that I GUESSSS I will pass on to you is that Corey always tells me (because I have a problem... I see discs... I must buy....) not to overload myself with new discs. It is really important to get very very used to the ones you have before you buy a bunch of discs. Now... I won't be a hypocrite and claim to have done that with all my discs. My TeeRex sits in my bag most of the time because I know it does some crazy left shit.
As far as that info, yes it is good info. He gets pretty technical, most of which is kinda summed up here. Plus that is hella to read.
My plan, at least right now, is to get some more discs and then narrow down what I want to play with on a regular basis to 4 discs or so after I have had a chance to throw a few, thanks for the advice on staying away from the TeeRex, Ill go for a middle weight orc and see how that does.
Oh and I've used the DX Beast over the water because it was like a $7 disc vs $16 haha. But I'm getting comfortable enough to make moderate distance water shots now so that might be a thing of the past.
I currently have:
Champion Beast (167) - Distance Driver
Beast (174) - Distance Driver
Valkyrie (175) - Distance Driver
Wolf (180) - Mid-Range
Aviar (172) - Putt & Approach.
I'm almost thinking that my Wolf could get used more for Putt & Approach due to the weight.
That is a mother fuckin HEAVY disc.
Matt- Corey says if you are mostly sidearming, Orc might not be much fun for you, but Roadrunner might be a better option.
*goes to look at the roadrunner*
If you don't pick one up before Saturday, you are more than welcome to give mine a shot.
The link below is great for finding courses (often with reviews) anywhere in the U.S. I did a quick search for courses within 50 miles of zip code 55432, but you can easily tweek the search parameters to suit your needs.
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