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Calling on Dan, Andy, and other dog owners...

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
Jana and I are really taking that final step before actually getting a dog and it's figuring out the best breed for us.

How did you come to the decisions you did with your dogs?

I though for sure we'd get a lab or something, but now it seems we are leaning towards a pug or something else on the smaller side and kids cuddly/friendly.

For us it seems the only downfall for a Pug is the weather, and with MN winters, I'm not sure how easy a pug will get around in the snow. While a friend of ours had a lab who just loves jumping around and playing in the snow.

Regardless, I'm hoping to get more info on how the decision process went for others, what other breeds you considered (if any), and what kind of items have come up that you didn't expect after a while of ownership.

Andy, I'd love to hear about how yours does with the baby as well.
 
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spek1098

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I've had two Samoyeds and don't know of a more kid friendly breed. I have pictures of my son at 6 mo, crawling all over our first Samoyed, Tasha, and she was as careful with him as she would have been with her own pups. Boris is the same way. They are smart, mid size dogs who love the winter. They should go through puppy class and the first one or two levels of obedience training, which will get you a very well trained and obedient dog. The do lightly shed year round, and tend to blow there coat in the spring. There coats do require a higher level of care, but if you get them use to being held and brushed as pups, it will become something they enjoy doing as adults. Regular brushing dramatically cuts down on shedding. They are also very athletic dogs. We have a local group that gets together to do weight pulls with the dogs. The local Samoyed's tend to make it to the podium, pulling up to 40x there own weight.

Let me know if this is a breed your interested in. I can let you meet Boris and put you in touch with local breeders. A local dog show is also a great place to get to know all the different breeds.
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
I have a boxer. She is great with kids. She will get big around 60 lbs I would guess. I got her from a local breeder out of Elk River. Boxers a known to be very high energy but no more then a lab or other dog of that size.
 
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micahlarson

Guest
I love watching dogs 101 on animal planet, that show does a really good job of explaining different dog breeds.
 

niterydr

Legendary Status!
Our Scottish Terrier is:
-great in the snow, loves it more than summer
-Great with kids, likes them because they are small and "his size"
-Still enough of a "dog" to play fetch, hunt mice/chipmunks, and run around, yet small enough to be fine in a house all day (He is just under 20 lbs).

I would suggest a female if you do, easier to train and less stubborn compared to the male Scottish Terriers.
 

Jenny

New Member
Breed choices:
I wouldn't reccomend a pug only cause they tend to have a lot of health problems especially being smushed face, they more often then not have to have nares surgery which can get kind of on the expensive end. If you are looking for a little dog some good ones are:
Dachsunds
Westies
Cavalier king charles
Yorkies

Big dogs:
You can find a smaller sized lab you just have to look for a breeder that breeds them and get a female
Boxers a great like nate said you can also find some smaller ones.
Golden retrievers are great with kids i grew up with them.
Standard poodle but they take a lot of grooming

Somethings that you should think about after purchasing a dog are:
- I highly reccommend pet insurance vet bills can really add up especially as puppies if you get it when they are still puppies you can save a lot of money in the long run.
I would get a dog in spring or summer time, easier to potty train then trying to do it in the snow.
-you should also think of the temperament of a dog when looking for a dog. example; do you want a dog with a lot of energy or a dog that is going to lay around and not need a lot of exercise.
-start it in puppy classes as soon as they are old enough.

Before purchasing a dog:
- Jurgen has a great point about going to local dog shows to meet breeders it is a great way to meet different kinds of breeds and breeder/ppl that show that are very knowledgable.
- i wouldn't be to concerned about the snow thing most little dogs will adapt to it.
-think about how much grooming you are going to have to put into a dog
-akc website is a great site for breed information. i also have a couple of breed books that have all the breeds in them. and dogs 101 is also a great show to look at.
-when you finally pick a breed you want research breeders ask to meet both parents of the puppy. I have a bunch of questions that you can ask to pick a good bree]der/puppy.

If you guys decide on a breed we have a book at my clinic of all the breeders in the area for all the breeds. or i know quite a few people that breed different ppl that i train with.
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
This is Jana (too lazy to log AJ out). Thanks for the The info so far! I do not want as small of dog as some of those breeds, prefer ~20lbs-40lbs. I do not want a yippee/barker, would prefer a lower energy dog (not one I need to walk daily). I will keep researching & post up questions since there are so many of you that are knowledgable on dog breeds. I have never owned one so I'm trying to find one that fits our lifestyle & family (kid & cat) best. Thanks!!!
 

YSOSLO

is the word, beotch
Every breed has it's pros and cons, and everyone that's owned a dog typically ends up recommending the breed they had since it was the best fit for their family (unless they had a bad experience with a certain dog), and I probably won't be much different, but I'll try...lol My family has always had dogs...mutts and purebreds alike. I would recommend narrowing down your search like this:

First, decide on whether shedding is okay or not. If it's okay, then the field is wider than if it's NOT okay. If you want to stick with non-shedding breeds, then your house will be cleaner but you'll need to expect to pay for grooming (some people do it themselves, but since Jana mentioned never owning a dog before, I'm guessing you'll have someone else deal with that).

Second, decide on size. Jana already did that by mentioning 20-40lbs, so that eliminates most of the larger breeds unless you can find a runt or a breeder that breeds them smaller, although personally I'd be a little leery of a breeder that bred dogs that wouldn't meet the AKC requirements of the breed because they aren't being true to the breed.

Third, and this one is one of the most important in my opinion, is intelligence. Working breeds like hunting or herding dogs are easier to train that less-intelligent breeds because they're able to understand what you're trying to teach them more quickly than dumber breeds. You may only need to show a smart dog what you want a handful of times versus spending weeks trying to teach a dumber breed the same thing.

Fourth is energy level, which Jana also already mentioned (low energy). One note from personal experience on this one. Virtually ALL puppies need more exercise when they're young versus what they'll ultimately need as they mature. Puppies (2yrs old and younger) will be a lot easier to train when they're getting regular exercise, because they aren't fighting all of the pent-up energy inside of them when they aren't walked or run around the yard long enough to wear them out a bit.

And the last consideration that hasn't been mentioned, but is perhaps most important of all is temperament. Make sure after you meet a possible pet for the first time that, after a few minutes, you're able to flip the dog over on his or her back so you can pet them on the belly. Be confident as you hold it and once it's had a chance to calm down a bit, flip it over. If it fights you big-time, it'll probably be more of a struggle to train versus a dog that'll allow you to be in control. (I did this with Big Nate's boxer puppy and she passed the test with flying colors)

If I could offer a few recommendations...if non-shedding is the way to want to go, then a poodle or a poodle mix would probably be best based on what you've mentioned so far. Poodles don't shed and they're on the high end of the intelligence range. If you don't mind a shedder, then I'd highly recommend a Welsh Pembroke Corgi (our's died 2 1/2yrs ago) because they're like a big dog in a small package. They have a double-coat, so snow doesn't stick to them (seriously, it's like their fur is teflon-coated), they're a herding breed so they're highly intelligent and easy to train and they don't need a ton of exercise. Ours would fetch a tennis ball for about 15 minutes until he was dead tired out...loving every minute of it. A Golden Retriever mix (with a smaller breed) would also be a very family-friendly option. There are many other family-friendly breeds out there, but I'd caution against any breeds described as "protective" or "guard dog" or "loyal to it's family" because these breeds can be GREAT to family members, but not-so-great to visitors or other non-family members.

Good luck with your search, and take your time.
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
Lots of good info (This is AJ again), thanks guys and gals!!

I've grown up with dogs, both smaller and large, but most of them have been owned by grandparents so I never had that full time surrounding (we had an outside farm dog). We are going to take our time for sure, probably looking to have something by end of spring/summer if we find a good fit.

I like the idea of a rescue dog, but have heard some fairly strong cons to that as well. Is a breeder the best way to go all said and done?
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
I'd throw my hat in the ring for a rescue dog, IMO. A lot of times you'll see a dog that's only about a year old (Lots of time on the clock) trained, vetted, fixed (lots of cash in the wallet) and you're doing a good thing. If you were bent on a certain breed, by all means, go to a breeder, I got no problems with them. But I can honestly say some of the best dogs I've ever been in contact with have been rescue dogs.
 
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DrWebster

Guest
I'd throw my hat in the ring for a rescue dog, IMO. A lot of times you'll see a dog that's only about a year old (Lots of time on the clock) trained, vetted, fixed (lots of cash in the wallet) and you're doing a good thing. If you were bent on a certain breed, by all means, go to a breeder, I got no problems with them. But I can honestly say some of the best dogs I've ever been in contact with have been rescue dogs.
+1. Go to a bunch of shelters first before getting a puppy from a breeder. As that Dick Enrico guy says, "why buy new when slightly used will do?"
 

Jana

New Member
I'm all for adopting or getting a rescue dog, if there were no former issues you have to work twice as hard to correct. With it being my first dog, I'd prefer for it to be ours to mold from the get-go.

With that said, the breeder of pugs I was referred to just emailed me back that they have a current litter of Pugalier's available (Pugs in about another 2 months). This seems to be a fairly new mixed breed from what I can find. What's appealing, aside from the cuteness, is that they have a slightly longer nose so not as many issues there.

http://www.pugalier.org/

Does anyone have any feedback or information on this breed?
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
I've never even heard of them, but Jenny mentioned a puggle might also be a good option for you, so I don't see why a pugalier (lol name) wouldn't be a bad option. My only concern with crosses, especially newish breeds, is health issues. Are they going to end up getting the worst of both breeds or will they end up getting none? There's genetics involved in that kind of stuff, but I'd do extra research into health issues to make sure. IIRC, Cavaliers are susceptible to hip dysplasia, but you do get the longer nose, so there is that.
 

Jenny

New Member
an answer to your question about rescue or breeders. Rescues tend to be pretty healthy dogs and are cheaper if you want a pure bred dog and don't want to god with a rescue i would go with a breeder.

a couple of other breeds i tho0ught of that fit into jana's weight range are cavashons i don't know exactly how to spell it we have quite a few that come into the clinic that seem to be great dogs so far don't have any health problems and are great with kids.
 
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micahlarson

Guest
I do like tom's idea about rescue dogs. I was assigned community service when I was younger and did all of it at the animal shelter.

You would be amazed at the kinds of dogs that end up there, most of them are well trained and extremely friendly. Also some shelters do have a "trial" period where you can see if the dogs will fit in with your family and work with your lifestyle.

Also a big plus is that adopting a dog usually costs fractions of buying from a breeder, biggest downside is that you won't have any sort of medical records to compair your dog to look for possible problems down the line
 

YSOSLO

is the word, beotch
I've heard Petsmart offers "pet insurance" that covers most of the expenses associated with ownership (most vets probably offer this too), so that can save you literally hundreds of dollars right off the bat, but you have to compare policies closely....some are better than others. My only issue with these "designer mix" dogs is that they take a couple of purebreds and mutt 'em up and STILL want $600 for the things. Craziness. I guess it all boils down to 'is it a flower or a weed.' If you want it it's a flower and if you don't, it's a weed. I guess a mutt is only a mutt if it was an accident, eh? Those pugaliers are pretty friggin' cute though, at least when they're puppies. If you guys are able to narrow down what you're looking for more, then we can offer more ideas on breeds. Even if you decide not to go with a purebred, a mix with at least one breed that looks like a good fit for you can help make a mix an even better fit (if you know what I mean).
 
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WhiteSpy9

Guest
Lots of good information in here!

We wanted something with a "little" less energy level, smaller in size, super friendly with kids/people, obedient, and NO YIPPIE (high pitched barking) DOGS.
I love dogs and wanted something that I could really bond with, so all the little "toy" dogs were instantly off the list.
I started seeing Dan post of some adorable pictures of the bulldog puppies and researched the breed (http://www.akc.org/). Turns out they are amazing family dogs, very loyal, require less exercise than say a lab/golden, smaller in size and there happens to be some amazing breeders in the twin cities.

You should really come over sometime he see how well Jack is with kids. It has been really amazing to watch just how instinctive he is around smaller children and the baby. He can instantly go from playing hardcore rough with me to extremely gentle and approach the baby, head down, low to the ground. I feel 100% confident with him around the kid. He loves all the other kids around the neighborhood as well. People and dogs too. It is so relaxing to have that trust with him around other people.

Obviously I'm biased, but I highly recommend a bulldog or a french bulldog. I love pugs too though! We have run into a few in training class and they seem like an awesome breed to own as well.

There are a lot of great rescue programs out there and I'm sure you can find a wonderful, loving dog, but you are taking a risk without knowing their complete history and/or behaviors. Just do your research, bring the family along and watch how the dog acts.

Having had a baby and a puppy now. Just be prepared if you if get a few week old puppy. It is just as much work as the baby.

Jana and I are really taking that final step before actually getting a dog and it's figuring out the best breed for us.

How did you come to the decisions you did with your dogs?

I though for sure we'd get a lab or something, but now it seems we are leaning towards a pug or something else on the smaller side and kids cuddly/friendly.

For us it seems the only downfall for a Pug is the weather, and with MN winters, I'm not sure how easy a pug will get around in the snow. While a friend of ours had a lab who just loves jumping around and playing in the snow.

Regardless, I'm hoping to get more info on how the decision process went for others, what other breeds you considered (if any), and what kind of items have come up that you didn't expect after a while of ownership.

Andy, I'd love to hear about how yours does with the baby as well.
 

Jana

New Member
Andy - I would love to bring Lilli over some night & see how she does with your dog (and see how the dog reacts too).

I think the only reason I prefer a puppy is because you are training them & giving them & our daughter the ability to bond from young age. Not sure it really makes a difference at all...? I know my friend has said that puppies/dogs are more work than a baby (and she would know since her son is just 3 months older than Lilli). I just see the look in Lilli's eyes when she sees a dog, and with our cat she wants to pet, hold, play...but the cat will do that only on her terms.

Last question - with the pugalier mix, since it's fairly new and not AKC...does that matter? What exactly does that mean?
 
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WhiteSpy9

Guest
We just gotta get past the 1 month mark w/ Drew and we'll have to get together. Maybe even outside....

I totally agree with your friend. Bringing home that few week old puppy is an amazing experience and as you know, they don't stay that little for long.
It is so much fun watching them grow up and learn/experience things for the first time.

So since the breed is new and not AKC, you will really want to investigate and research the breeder as much as possible. The breeder won't be held to any of the AKC rules and regulations on breeding (only certain dogs are allowed to be bred and they are generally the ones that meet the criteria of the breed standard). So if the breeder is just trying to make fast cash, they could be breeding any of them.... I think you can see how this could go bad quick.... However, if the breeder is top notch they generally say mixed breeds are healthier than pure.

They look cute. Have you considered a pug? http://www.akc.org/breeds/pug/index.cfm
 
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spek1098

Guest
It just means that it is not a recognized breed by the American Kennel Club. This means there is no set standard for the breed, like acceptable height, weight, pigment, coat, color, ect. Usually breeds become recognized by the AKC when a organized group (for Samoyeds it's the Samoyed Club of America) brings forth standards for the breed, agrees to uphold them, and maintain the pedigree. The AKC then has some processes where they either accept or reject the breed. For the average Joe, not overly concerned with breed or pedigree, being a AKC recognized breed or an AKC register dog (a dog that comes from a document ancestry within the breed) doesn't mean much. So basicly a pugalier or a golden doodle is just a glorified mut. :)

One rule of thumb when buying a dog: there are only 2 places you should consider getting a dog from, either from a recognized breeder or a rescue. I can get into the reasoning on this if you'd like when I have more time.
 
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