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Apple: Hold different. iPhone 4 reception issues, and solution.

Jesse MS3GT

Jesse MS3GT

Querulous

Steve Jobs actual response to the issue. Wow, fucking WOW.
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/06/25/steve-jobs-responds-to-the-iphone-4-reception-issue/

You: "Hey doc, when I sit down I get this sharp pain down my right leg"
Doctor Jobs "Just avoid sitting that way"

I am also surprised he didn't say purchase the bumper, because it would be a "ghetto" fix.

On a lighter note
Get your tinfoil hat on, I think I just discovered another conspiracy, to raise sales. This time with Apple ;)
Gotta love the Hegelian Dialectic :p
http://mashable.com/2010/06/24/iphone-4-reception-response/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/iphone-4-antenna-woes-contextualized-by-dude-in-the-know/

Has anyone heard of the new iPhones reception issues due to HOLDING the phone? Well here is a solution, buy the bumper case. Hmmm, produce a product that is slightly flawed, but sell the solution as an accessory. It's win win, solve your customers reception issues, while increasing sales of accessories. Awesome marketing/sales decision.
 
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mndsm

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
The thing is, no matter the fault, Apple will have their loyal followers. Apple shipped w/o a 3.5mm jack. NBD everyone buys an accessory. Screens get scratched all to shit, NBD case protector. Can't multitask? NBD.... you see the pattern?
 
Jesse MS3GT

Jesse MS3GT

Querulous
mndsm said:
The thing is, no matter the fault, Apple will have their loyal followers. Apple shipped w/o a 3.5mm jack. NBD everyone buys an accessory. Screens get scratched all to shit, NBD case protector. Can't multitask? NBD.... you see the pattern?
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This is the only thing I have seen the Apple sheeple wake up to. Reading many comments on youtube and under various tech articles, even the indoctrinated seemed upset over this. Of course this is damn near blatant. But I agree that they are usually OK with getting shafted.
 
Workdawg

Workdawg

NARWHAL
mndsm said:
The thing is, no matter the fault, Apple will have their loyal followers. Apple shipped w/o a 3.5mm jack. NBD everyone buys an accessory. Screens get scratched all to shit, NBD case protector. Can't multitask? NBD.... you see the pattern?
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The iPhone has always had a 3.5mm headphone jack. On the first iPhone, it was recessed, which caused an issue with most normal sets of headphones, but it was there. It was actually the ANDROID G1 that didn't have a headphone jack.

As for cases and screen protectors. Those are made for all phones, and those who buy them, will buy them. I really don't recall hearing any bad press about the iphone scratching more easily than any other phone. Certainly a glass screen is more scratch resistant than a plastic one.

I think it's worth noting that in both the above cases, Apple wasn't producing adapters for headphones or screen protectors/cases.

As for multitasking, even google says android's multitasking will drain the battery if you aren't paying attention. http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/05/19/google-says-multitasking-apps-hurt-androids-battery-life/
Many people say that Apple's multitasking isn't true multitasking, and while it's not, it's designed so that it doesn't burn your battery down. TBH, I have never once wished my phone had multitasking, and even now that I have it, I don't use it. I think the android fanbois (and certainly they exist) just want to make a big deal out of the fact that they have it and apple doesn't.

To get back on the topic of this thread. Indeed, they dropped the ball here. I have heard that apple CS is telling people this is an issue with some sort of protective coating not being applied correctly, but it's not been confirmed yet. Certainly SJobs saying "Don't hold it like that" makes them look bad, but oh well. It's not like it makes the phone unusable. It's just an unfortunate side effect of them trying to over engineer it and failing.
 
Jesse MS3GT

Jesse MS3GT

Querulous
Workdawg said:
The iPhone has always had a 3.5mm headphone jack. On the first iPhone, it was recessed, which caused an issue with most normal sets of headphones, but it was there. It was actually the ANDROID G1 that didn't have a headphone jack.
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True!
As for multitasking, even google says android's multitasking will drain the battery if you aren't paying attention. http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/05/19/google-says-multitasking-apps-hurt-androids-battery-life/
Many people say that Apple's multitasking isn't true multitasking, and while it's not, it's designed so that it doesn't burn your battery down. TBH, I have never once wished my phone had multitasking, and even now that I have it, I don't use it. I think the android fanbois (and certainly they exist) just want to make a big deal out of the fact that they have it and apple doesn't.
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I should have the freedom to drain my battery if I want to. If I don't want to, I can download a task killer. Win win. Id rather have more options than less.
To get back on the topic of this thread. Indeed, they dropped the ball here. I have heard that apple CS is telling people this is an issue with some sort of protective coating not being applied correctly, but it's not been confirmed yet. Certainly SJobs saying "Don't hold it like that" makes them look bad, but oh well. It's not like it makes the phone unusable. It's just an unfortunate side effect of them trying to over engineer it and failing.
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It's one thing to fail whilst attempting to over engineer, it's another thing to design a product with a huge flaw. This isn't the result of over engineering, it's a design flaw, as as many(not just me, Apple fanboys too) have deduced that Apple knew about this. "But this looks so sleek, it's great for marketing... Fuck the flaw, we'll fix it with an accessory".
 
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DrWebster

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Seriously, we need to get into yet another Apple flamewar?
 
Workdawg

Workdawg

NARWHAL
Jesse MS3GT said:
I should have the freedom to drain my battery if I want to. If I don't want to, I can download a task killer. Win win. Id rather have more options than less.
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Apple has targeted the iPhone at people who want an easy to use phone with lots of features. That's what it is. Not everyone wants to have to deal with killing tasks and paying attention to how much RAM their background crap is using up. People who want to customize everything about their phone get android devices. People who want a phone that's truly easy to use and "just works" get an iPhone.
 
VTEC8YA

VTEC8YA

The Story Teller....
So in order to make a call. You just set the phone on your desk, then bend over and put your head on the phone in the horizontal position, THERE, problem solved!!!!

This way Stevie has you in a good position, your already bent over....
 
VTEC8YA

VTEC8YA

The Story Teller....
Whoa..... Nope. Apple is actually introducing the new fix for this. Just another accessory you will have to buy is all....

 
Stealthgator

Stealthgator

New Member
Workdawg said:
Apple has targeted the iPhone at people who want an easy to use phone with lots of features. That's what it is. Not everyone wants to have to deal with killing tasks and paying attention to how much RAM their background crap is using up. People who want to customize everything about their phone get android devices. People who want a phone that's truly easy to use and "just works" get an iPhone.
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So apple is selling the Honda Civic of phones?

HAHA sorry couldn't stop myself. Saw all the flame going on in this thread decided to jump in. At end of the day all phones have their problems. For example my N1 will not hold a connection to a wireless N router. Does the same for many others too: http://www.google.com/support/forum...52&hl=en&fid=01a47ff5b0a92d5200047f6c79564516

Does it stop me from enjoying the phone? Yes, sometimes specifically when I'm at school and can't get any of T-Mobiles already spotty 3G reception. But I wouldn't want to give up my N1 for any other phone that's out currently; the pluses outweigh the minuses. I'm willing to bet it's going to be like that with the iphone4 and it's issues; Apple will sell a ton of iphone4's. I for one give Apple credit, they've created products that people WANT to buy.

Though if Microsoft had put out a phone with the technical issues of the iphone4 I wonder what would happen?

Hope I remained on-topic-enough.
 
Jesse MS3GT

Jesse MS3GT

Querulous
Stealthgator said:
HAHA sorry couldn't stop myself. Saw all the flame going on in this thread decided to jump in. At end of the day all phones have their problems. For example my N1 will not hold a connection to a wireless N router. Does the same for many others too: http://www.google.com/support/forum...52&hl=en&fid=01a47ff5b0a92d5200047f6c79564516
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My friend has the same phone, and doesn't have that issue. But that is a pretty big flaw. But it's slightly less significant than not being able to make calls because of the way you hold the phone.
Though if Microsoft had put out a phone with the technical issues of the iphone4 I wonder what would happen?
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If a Microsoft OS phone had this issue, or any Android phone, I probably wouldn't make as big of a deal for one reason, and one reason only. The aforementioned OS phones and their creators do not claim their devices are magical, or the most advanced and sophisticated devices out there. When you're pretentious and prop yourself up so high, it's a lot easier to see you and knock you over.

Every Android phone has a flaw, my Droid's biggest flaw is the camera, it effing blows. But Motorola didn't say the camera was God's gift to Android followers.
 
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spek1098

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It is blind followers that contribute to products eventual down fall. I'd say I was overly loyal with the Sidekick, but the $20 unlimited data and text plan didn't hurt either. When the first color sidekick came out around 2000, it was king of the hill; I don't even think the term smart phone was even around then. It could surf the net, instant message, download apps, had a color screen, full QWERTY keyboard, all the most basic things all phones have today.

The phone gained a cult like following much like the iPhone has now, just on a smaller scale. Every two or so years they would revamp the basic design, but really never innovated anything new beyond the first release. Well we kept buying our Sidekicks, #2 added a camera, and #3 added an mp3 player with a 2.5mm headphone jack (so lame). By the time the Sidekick LX was out, with basically just a bigger screen, and GPS that required a $3 a month subscription, iPhones were out and had set a new bar for what cutting edge was. Today even the newest Sidekick is antiquated by 3 year old phones; it's a dead product line if you ask me.

Whose fault is this? I blame the users. Our blind following allowed T-mobile and the various manufactures of Sidekicks to sit back and have successful sales of an inferior product, and after a few generations of this, us Sidekick users have to be ignorant to the alternatives, or possibly to cheap not to switch phones.

You can see this pattern repeated throughout the economy, GM, Polaroid, to name two.

So go buy your inferior iPhone 4s you apple fan boys and defend its shortcomings, instead of being more critical and demanding of Apple. By doing this you’re helping kill the innovations Apple has become known for.
 
Workdawg

Workdawg

NARWHAL
I agree with you, amazingly, up until the last paragraph. Certainly a blind following to ANY company could easily lead to its downfall. However, I would point out that the last few times Apple has released a NEW product, it has been on the bleeding edge of technology. The iMac, iPod, iPhone, and most recently iPad have all been arguably revolutionary products in their first iteration. Certainly over the years, each of those products has fallen behind, and aren't revolutionary anymore, but to discount them would be ignorant, IMO.

Since this is more specifically about the iPhone, another iPhone thread zomg, the iPhone 4 is playing catch up... but can you really blame Apple? They've got quite a few product lines they are constantly updating (desktop and laptop PCs, two OSs, iPods, iPads, iPhones), but they are expected to keep up with HTC, who does nothing but make new phones? I think you really need to consider that when you look at the big picture.

If you look at the specs of the current iPhone, is there anything that's REALLY top of the line? Not so much. The screen has the highest DPI available, but it's not the biggest. The camera was just upgraded to 5mp, but HTC has a couple phones that are 8mp+ (though tests have shown that the quality of pictures from the iPhone is superior to that of all other top-of-the-line phones). The other specs are also on par with the latest and greatest of smartphones, even though those other phones were released earlier.

Apple releases one phone a year, how many new HTC phones have come out this year? Or how many phones using Android? Android is driven primarily by Google anyway. HTC is just taking that and using it for their phones. If they had to develop their own OS from scratch, I bet things would be A LOT different.

Apple is tackling many projects and managing to keep up with other companies who choose to specialize in one market. I would consider that a success.
 
Jesse MS3GT

Jesse MS3GT

Querulous
Workdawg said:
Failure, the issue with the iPhone4 is caused by people holding the phone in their left hand.
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No, the failure is being rendered by a design flaw. It shouldn't matter what hand you hold it in!
Good article on current Apple fans
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06...matched-only-by-its-fanboys-blind-dedication/

Also, as far as cameras go, the Nokia N8 is going to crush every smart phone in the camera department. The OS and screen are going to suck, though. You are correct about megapixels not being all that matters, as my Droid is a perfect example. The iPhone 4's camera is much better than the new Droid X and EVO 4G's.

Now if you're going to give Apple leeway because it makes more than just phones... Do you have any idea how many different things Google is currently engaged in? They just came out with their own 411 service, Google Maps, Navigation, Buzz, Gmail, I could go on and on...

The HTC point is valid, though.
 
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