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BMW 1 Series

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Z-licious

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ZoomZoom Diva said:
While one may prefer the looks of a 2-door, after all, that is a matter of personal taste, a 2-door does not save weight over a 4-door all other things being equal.

There is no reason the MS6 could not have been designed to retain the folding rear seat while maintaining its sportiness. In fact, the rear seat DOES fold, Mazda just didn't put the handles in. A car can be just as sporty and still be built to be practical as well.

I also never said to not offer a coupe for those who may want one for whatever reason. Merely that not offering a sedan as well is a significant loss of utility, and should have also been available.
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335i sedan
Curb Weight: 3594 lbs.

335i coupe
Curb Weight: 3571 lbs.

Significant? Maybe not, but it is a weight savings. Plus, the 335i coupe probably isn't the exact same car minus 2 doors. There could be a few other things that add weight. I'll bet the coupe has a stiffer body too. Optimally, for performance, you'd want a car with no doors and you just climb in through the windows, but very few people would be willing to live with that in a daily driver.

Nobody would buy a 4-door 1 series, because then it'd be too similar to the 335i sedan. You lose the sportiness.

And there is a reason for the lack of folding rear seats, the cross bracing. Keeping the folding rear seats with the cross bracing there would have drawn quite a few comments about design choices. Yes, people do fold their seats down in the MS6, even with the cross bracing, but it's not that practical, and not aesthetically pleasing either.
 
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ZoomZoom Diva

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Removing the folding rear seats has drawn even more comments about design choices than keeping them probably would. Also, a factory folding seat could have been made more aesthetically pleasing, and it does offer some additional practicality. One also wonders whether the cross bracing could have been designed differently to allow for a better pass through.

There are also probably things added to the 335 sedan than just the doors that add weight too. The only way you can truly compare is if the only difference are having two doors instead of blank metal and windows.

A person would buy a 135 sedan over a 335 sedan for the exact same reasons one would buy a 135 coupe over a 335 coupe. There is no requirement that car has to lose sportiness by giving it the practicality of two additional doors. A 4-door 135 could and should be just as sporty as a 135 coupe... and if that isn't different enough from the 335, then there is no point for it at all.
 
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I think pretty much every car has some type of vinal, even 100k cars will. What else you going to make the dash and the like from?

Kinda stupid to quibble over a few 1/10s of a second, as that amount of difference in time is determind by the driver, not so much the car.
 
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ij1889

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to me, thats what have killed bmws sporty looks, then 4 door, i consider it to be more of a luxury car, not sporty, thats why i love the 135, bc its bringing back that sport feel and look in the bmw
ps eddie thats a fucking great idea, i wonder if i should do that with me project car, that would be bad ass!!!!
 
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JustROLLIN

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ij1889 said:
to me, thats what have killed bmws sporty looks, then 4 door, i consider it to be more of a luxury car, not sporty, thats why i love the 135, bc its bringing back that sport feel and look in the bmw
ps eddie thats a fucking great idea, i wonder if i should do that with me project car, that would be bad ass!!!!
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You dont consider BMW to be a sporty car? I am the exact opposite. I consider BWM to be the epitome of a sport/luxury car. Not only the M-Series cars, but even the basic 3-series and now 1-series cars. The cars make gobs of power, handle better than practically every car on the road, and look very good/sporty. IMO.
 
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AJ

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I feel that BMW cars are over priced for what you get, but there are aspects that provide a little justifacation for me. Like their warranty and basically the no extra costs during xxx time period of ownership. Gas and insurance, that's basically it if you take advantage of it as a new car. But honestly, ride quality sometimes need to take a back seat to cars with similar price tags like Volvo or even Sabb these days.
 
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ij1889

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yup, new bmws look more like luxury than sporty, even the last 5 and 7 series models looked sportier than the the new ones, to me, they still have the great engines, but look to bulky and to big for a sports car, even the 4 door 3 series now looks more luxury than anything, imo, my fav bmw was the e36 m3(92-99) looked sporty, kinda simple, but yet aggresive
 
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JustROLLIN

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AJ said:
I feel that BMW cars are over priced for what you get, but there are aspects that provide a little justifacation for me. Like their warranty and basically the no extra costs during xxx time period of ownership. Gas and insurance, that's basically it if you take advantage of it as a new car. But honestly, ride quality sometimes need to take a back seat to cars with similar price tags like Volvo or even Sabb these days.
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I agree, to a point. The Saab and Volvos are not meant to be as sporty as the BMW lineup. The Saabs and Volvos will have much softer rides, but at the expense of handling. I guess people are under the impression that BMW is a true luxury car, I on the other hand still see them as a sport/luxury segment. With the exception of the 7-series which is an awfully luxurious ride.

Oh and BMW is worth every penny you pay for them, if you ask me.
 
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JustROLLIN

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ij1889 said:
yup, new bmws look more like luxury than sporty, even the last 5 and 7 series models looked sportier than the the new ones, to me, they still have the great engines, but look to bulky and to big for a sports car, even the 4 door 3 series now looks more luxury than anything, imo, my fav bmw was the e36 m3(92-99) looked sporty, kinda simple, but yet aggresive
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Yeah, but thats the M-Series... A car specifically designed to go fast. The other 3 and 5 series cars are designed to go fast while providing a certain level of luxury.
 
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ij1889

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i FAWKING WANT A 135!!! matt fuck the house plans, get the 135i NOW DAMNIT!!! and let me borrow it friday nights :)
 
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