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MSP Coolant system problems

dmention7

Hater
Let me list off the symptoms I've been experiencing today, and maybe it will ring a bell in someone's head:

-Upon startup/warmup this morning (-18F outside), I quickly noticed that the water temp needle was rising faster than I'd expect for just idling in cold cold weather. It leveled off at the normal operating temp.

-Even at normal operating temp, and having driven a mile or so, the heater was still blowing ice-cold, so I pulled over, popped the hood, and looked for problems. Belts were good, radiator fans had come on--no obvious coolant leaks

-Decided to turn around and head back towards home, at which point I began to notice that the engine was slightly overheating--normally the temp needle is rock-steady at one tick under the halfway point, but it was drifting up to around 3/4 of the way to the H. Whenever I'd come to a stoplight, it would settle back down to the normal range fairly quickly. Note: all driving was at ~30mph, no highways yet.

At this point I was thinking either the thermostat was stuck shut, or the water pump had failed--both cases resulting in no coolant circulation.

-About 2 hours later (sitting on the street for 2 hours), I pulled the car into the garage and let it idle for several minutes out of curiosity. Sure enough, the heater was blowing warm air as soon as the temp gauge began to rise.

-I also noticed a couple tablespoons of coolant had dripped onto the street while my car was parked. Inspection in the garage revealed that maybe a cup of coolant had leaked from the overflow reservoir. Aside from being covered in coolant, the reservoir is the only likely source of the coolant--the rest of the motor and underside of the car was coolant free, except directly under the reservoir.

I am about to take the car for another test drive to watch for overheating or coolant loss.... but at this point, I'm kind of at a loss for likely culprits. I dinno, all the symptoms so far seem to point to different issues, unless I'm just missing a common thread?

Anyone have any specific ideas on things to test?

Also, I should mention that I have mazda's TotalCare warranty for another 2yrs/20k miles, but there's a $100 deductible. So unless it's looking pretty unequivocally like a water pump failure or other large job, I'd rather handle this myself.
 
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DrWebster

Guest
Water pump and thermostat are my first guesses too, but an air bubble seems to fit the symptoms too...perhaps the coolant leak is from when the air pocket was finally released from the system (which would explain why your heat started working afterwards)?
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
Have you made the full switch to coolant? At least a 50-50 mix?

I am thinking that it may be a blockage in the system. I would replace the thermostat just to see if that helps. Is the water pump electric?? If so then just check to see if it turns on as you sit over the motor at idle. You can check the wire with a simple multimeter as well. That is what i would do to trouble shoot the issue.
 

Picklz

SUDO Make me a SAMCH
I'd replace the thermostat first, it's an easy / cheap thing to replace and sounds like it has a strong possibility of being the problem.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
T-stat sounds good to me. IMO I'm not sure it's the water pump, when my old car ate a water pump, it was blowing hot air at speed, but didn't have enough power at idle to create the neccesary force to circulate the coolant to get me hot air in the car. And then it belched coolant everywhere, and cost me 600$. Granted it was a DSM, so that could have been the cars way of telling me it was Tuesday. Seems odd that it would be the water pump though, because if it failed completely, I'd think that would be more symptomatic at idle, when there are less revs to drive the thing.
 

dmention7

Hater
So I got back from a test drive, and naturally the damn thing is working perfectly. Not so much as a twitch from the temp needle the whole time, couldn't smell a whiff of coolant, nothin. I zip-tied a small bag onto the coolant overflow vent, but not a drop of coolant in there either... no fresh coolant spilled that I could tell.

At this point, I'm leaning towards a temporary blockage or air bubble that worked its way out while I was letting the car sit. As long as I've got the t-stat, I'm going to head back out and replace that. Even though I had most of my coolant replaced after a small hose burst on me earlier in the winter, I think I'll fill er back up with fresh 50-50 mix just in case it's still a bit watery from the summer.

Also nate, the water pump is belt-driven, which is why one of the first things I checked was the accessory belt--I've read a few stories of proteges suddenly losing heat because the inner accessory belt snapped while driving, leaving the water pump (and alternator) dead.
 

dmention7

Hater
Well, new t-stat is in, and about 5 quarts of new 50/50 added. I'll cross my fingers that this is the last time I have any coolant related problems... two scares in one winter is enough for me.
 
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