YOU GUYS FINALLY GET THE POWER YOU DESERVE!!!

[JohnnyT]

All thanks to CP-e. I'll try and summarize most of what I found:

'Socks' is a friend of mine on MazdaSpeedForums.org. He has a fully built bottom end with a stock head and a GT3071. Used to run nitrous and made decent numbers. Tried everything he could, like many other big power hunters, but always hit the mysterious ceiling.

Numerous tuners have taken a crack at breaking this wall and it's finally been done. I'm happy to see CP-e has come up with the magical solution - a simple ECU flash. Now, if you have a turbo capable of 450whp, and the air and fuel to support it - your car will now hit 450whp.

Let's see if I can break down the numbers:

Sean's dyno run (on a dynojet) made him 433whp/440wtq. on the bottle:
Arias Pistons (8.8:1)
Pauter Rods
ARP studware
GT3071r @ 20psi with 3" vband exit, T3 flange, .82a/r
Cobb AP
Cobb FMIC
3" TBE
DNP Mani w/ Tial 44mm Gate
Zex 125hp Wet Kit
3.5 bar MAP sensor
Dual 255 fuel pumps
63mm throttle body
Ported intake mani w/ VCTS delete
Yada yada...

He later took off the nitrous for various reasons and dyno'd at Cobb's dynojet and made 355whp on 21psi (can't remember if that was with meth).

And now, he's added the CP-e 'magic' flash and made an unheard of 428whp on only 19psi (also on a dynojet)! They've gained 73whp while using 2 lbs of LESS boost! Sean's car also had an injector seal pop off mid-run so there was more left in it. He was also running on a stock head and intake manifold as he had to pass emissions (VCTS in place again). They're saying 450-470whp would've been seen. This is it ladies and gentlemen. The beginnings of true power are here.

Here's his mustang dyno run. Like I said, the injector seal popped off on the dynojet so I didn't see any graphs.
Note: CP-e has said their Mustang dyno's reading about 17% LESS compared to a dynojet.

Sean's car was on a mustang dyno in this blog: http://cp-e.com/blog/
Their forum rep said he went to a dynojet 45 minutes after those runs were posted and made the 428whp. His old set up on a mustang made 290/318 and now with the flash he made 394/400! These new numbers are without meth, and on 93 octane, and most importantly DIRECT INJECTION! No auxiliary fueling here.

For more information:
The official release: http://cp-e.com/blog/
The discussion: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f330/big-power-finally-here-46183/

Please share your thoughts, this is absolutely HUGE news for the community.

 

[Workdawg]

According to the blog post, a guest tuner came in and made it work. I guess CP-e fails and the random dood wins.

In any case, is there info buried in there that says HOW they did it?

 

[JohnnyT]

According to the blog post, a guest tuner came in and made it work. I guess CP-e fails and the random dood wins.

In any case, is there info buried in there that says HOW they did it?

They had a tuner, but they still needed the software to flash the ECU, which is HOW they did it. CP-e is definitely not a failure here.

 

[mndsm]

Wow, this restores my faith. Big boosties here we come!

 

[JohnnyT]

Wow, this restores my faith. Big boosties here we come!

Better save up for internals now...

 

[Workdawg]

But CP-e's in-house tuners couldn't figure it out...

Anyways, I understand it was a flash that fixed it, but WHAT DID THEY DO?

Maybe I'm wrong (i'm not in this case), but can't you change a bunch of different things when you flash the ECU?

 

[JohnnyT]

But CP-e's in-house tuners couldn't figure it out...

Anyways, I understand it was a flash that fixed it, but WHAT DID THEY DO?

Maybe I'm wrong (i'm not in this case), but can't you change a bunch of different things when you flash the ECU?

I'm betting the tuners at CP-e were decent, but not the best. They have great programmers and computer nerds, but not necessarily tuners. A lot of shops have done this - it's quite common.

Why would CP-e release exactly what they did? They have proprietary information that the public and other competitors (not that there's really any right now) don't need to know about. This flash doesn't seem to change a lot of parameters though. You'll still need the Standback along with various CP-e parts to run this flash and tune it as it's made for certain modifications.

 

[niterydr]

But CP-e's in-house tuners couldn't figure it out...

Anyways, I understand it was a flash that fixed it, but WHAT DID THEY DO?

Maybe I'm wrong (i'm not in this case), but can't you change a bunch of different things when you flash the ECU?

This.

I remember dealing with a standback on a ms6 and talking to the engineers over at CPE, must have been 2007...anyway, good guys ,smart guys ,but did not have an in house chassis dyno. He was very interested in my input and logging capabilities on the car. We eventually determined that one of the inputs in the box was switching, an injector controller if I remember correctly....

Anyway, dude put on a large turbo and ran it on the stock ecm, blew the block up aparently, then had it fixed and sold the car before I could retune or do much with it.

Cool to see a flash available now. The is a difference between a full time tuner and a full time programmer. I could probably muster my way through a standalone build, DIY sort of thing, but would not be efficient at it. Just like the guys that build the boxes probably know quite a bit about tuning, but don't have all the quick short cuts and hands on experience (at times).

 

[VTEC8YA]

So is this guy OFFICIALLY on top of the speed world now? Did ron get kicked off.