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Dan and Matt's quest for a custom smart/prox key

Workdawg

NARWHAL
The goal: Get a proximity key/smart key setup working in our cars, which don't have them now. Further to that point, the main goal is to have the car unlock as we approach, and lock as we leave. Personally, adding a push button start that only requires the smart key to be in the car (no key in the ignition) would be a step further, but not required for the initial solution.

I'm not sure who came up with it first, however it was at least partially inspired by this badass: http://www.geekmyride.org/wiki/index.php/Jon's_RX-8


Potential solutions:

First potential solution: Adapt this (Link) to use in a car.

Matt found this one but after much research, it appears that this will not work, at least not cheaply. It uses an RFID tag and reader to unlock the door when the tag is swiped across the reader. The limitation we are dealing with here is range. The best solution that could be found was about a 25cm (~10") range; and that's with a clear line of sight between the two parts. Since we'd need to have the module contained in the car, and the tag in our hand (preferably pocket), our range would be even less than that. This is not a feasible option at this time.


Second potential solution:

Hack up an OEM system to work with a car it wasn't designed for. This was my idea, but it's likely the most expensive and there are some questions that would need to be answered to determine it's feasibilty. The main question is how the ECU and stock prox/smart key module work together. If the keys are programmed to the ECU, then this would not work without also replacing the ECU. Since the 1st gen MS3 never came with a smart key, this would be impossible. However, if the keys are programmed into the entry module itself, then it may work. Depending on what signal the entry module sends to the ECU, it could potentially be a direct swap. This sounds quite unlikely though. If the signals are different, it may be possible to build an arduino circuit to intercept the signal from the entry module and send out another signal that the stock ECU will understand. To accomplish this, we'd have to analyze the signals that are being sent out by the stock keyless entry system and the new smart/prox entry system. If they are the same, it should be a direct swap. If they are different, an arduino should work. Feasibility, possible... but cost prohibitive.

Third potential solution:

Jay recalled that someone had already done what we were looking to do, with a Nike+ fob. LINK

This solution shows quite a bit of promise, and is fairly cheap (about $75 + cannibalizing a stock fob, which is another $100 or so). I won't outline the whole thing, since you can read (hopefully). Originally I thought there were some issues with this, but having read the comments on it further, it seems they were all addressed, just not outlined in the main article. The Nike+ fob only sends a signal when it detects movements, so it's not constantly unlocking your doors when you're not moving. Mazda ignores fab signals when the key is in the ignition. It is set up to autolock if it stops getting a signal from the fob.

Fourth potential solution:

There is a company out there who offers an aftermarket solution, maybe. LINK
Matt emailed them, since the product isn't officially released yet, and got a positive answer. It's supposed to work with all models of cars and only cost $169. Pretty sweet sounding, but lacking on details.


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I think for now I'm going to do a little bit more thinking and researching about this, but I'll probably wait at least until option 4 is officially released to see how it all works.
 
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Workdawg

NARWHAL
A little update on this...

A few weeks ago I ordered a flipkey fob for my car. An awesome (lol) chinese knockoff one from ebay (link)

For more pics of the fob, click here: http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/Workdawg17/New Car/Key Fob/

It arrived a couple days ago, and it's pretty much just as I expected. It feels a little bit cheap, but people on M3F have had success with them, so hey, it's only $17 to try it out. I'm going to the dealer today for an oil change and I'll have them cut the blade for me today. The part of this knockoff that's kind of a hassle is that you have to take apart the stock fob and stick the internals into the flip fob. To make that even worse, you have to remove the transponder from your key as well, which requires actual damage to the key (you can pull the internals of the fob without damaging it). I figure I'll get the flipkey blade cut and just carry both the key and the flipfob around for a few days to see how I like it before I cut the transponder out of the key.

Anyway, you're probably asking, what's this got to do with a smartkey? Well, that's where this pic comes into play.



So, while I'm still waiting to see what www.advancedkeys.com has for us, this seems like a decent backup solution. In case you're not sure what you're looking at in the pic above. Check out the third solution from above post. I'd go that route and simply hide the Nike+ fob inside my flip key. It will fit as in the picture (twisted a bit funny), or what I'll more likely do, is cut four tiny notches into the case to make it fit snugly between the pegs. A little hot glue to keep it in place and I should be golden. A flip/smart key fob, hell yeah!
 
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spek1098

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My sister has an 08 CX-7 with the keyless setup, not sure if it does the auto unlock/lock deal, but have you considered trying to adopt that system?
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
That's solution number 2 in the OP, but I can't seem to find any answers to the questions outlined in the first post. I posted on RX8club and miata.net asking if anyone there knew how the system works, but got no replies.

Now that I think about it, I'm going to post links to both my failed threads here, so I don't have to try and find them whenever I go back to check for replies:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=195895
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=375166

Update/Correction: It looks like a couple guys at miata.net do know how this works. I'll be reading up on it.
 
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spek1098

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Lets find a service manual for an CX-7, and Joe had access to most the wiring diagrams from the MS3 and Mz3 when I was doing the swap, should see what he can come up with for the CX-7
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
According to the info on miata.net, it sounds like this is probably not a viable solution. I guess the smart key system only checks for a local key when you attempt to use it (press the buttons on the door, trunk, or try to start the car). This wouldn't really do what I'm looking for, which is to unlock the car as I approach it.

I'd be quite happy to proceed with either the aftermarket solution (assuming it pans out) or the Nike+Flipkey fob.

We shall see.
 
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spek1098

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I wasn't sure if it had that fuction or not. My gut tells me that installing a CX-7 type system would be fairly painless, then you could modify that with the auto lock system. I'll keep an eye on how things pan out with the route you decide to go, and take it from there
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
Well, from reading the manual on the miata, it looks like the AKE setup isn't just one part. There are receivers all over the damn place, and they all only have a 3'ish range. It looks like there's a receiver in each door handle, the lid of the trunk, and 4 inside the car. I don't really want to deal with finding and tearing all that crap out of a wrecked car, then tearing apart my interior to install it all... and THEN have to worry if it'll even work with my stock ECU.

The Nike+ fob has been done, and it's fairly inexpensive. The decision will likely be made in the next few days. Though I may have to put a hold on that plan until I decide when I'm getting my quarter panel fixed up.
 
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