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General interest- Goodwill wars!

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
I think you're right on that one James. Box of parts would be more advantageous to the team before a shopping event as opposed to after. The one thing that worries me, is if one team starts steamrolling, we have to think of a measure to equal out the competition to at least give the other team a chance. If a team had 5 wins and access to the box of parts, they could probably nearly build a machine without a shopping trip, and have a decided advantage.
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
I don't really see the box o' parts as cumulative. If you win a round, you get to pick x parts. At the end of the round, all salvagable parts from both teams go back. X remains a constant. So even if you win 5 in a row, you still only get to pick X parts.

The only difference is that the parts bin would have more stuff to choose from.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
I REALLY like the idea of a gravity/soapbox gig. And with all the cheap bikes/skateboards/wheeled devices available at goodwills/savers/etc, that could be entirely interesting.
 

dmention7

Hater
IMO, things like navigating a course could be a little complex for this kind of gig since you start getting into RC and stuff. However, there are things you could do, like navigate a curve with a defined inside and outside radius, or climb a ramp of a certain distance and stop at the top, or descend a ramp as slowly as possible without stopping.... stuff like that where it can be done with a simple mechanical premise.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
Yeah, RC woulda been kind of a pain in the ass.... though I have a habit of finding RC cars at Goodwill. But yeah, distance, climbing a ramp, descending a ramp, turning, spinning, whatever, easy enough.
 

Big Nate

Chaos Engineer
I think we need to narrow it down to just one thing Like Jai said. So your machine can be 100% designed to only make left hand turns or to roll a ball across a line or what ever. nothing to complicated.....unless this becomes a bore then we can get more into it.



Dan, Thom, James and Adrian. I think you guys need to get a set of rules drawn up and we can start to set this up. Lets try to keep the rules simple and also keep the items that can be used simple.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
Well, we have a pretty basic set of rules on page 1 going already. I figure they're close enough to get us through til we get closer to the time to put it in motion. The one part I'm not sure about is time. I figure maybe..... an hour or two for shopping (Not including transit) and 4 for a build, that way, you can get in, get out and get moving if you have other shit to do that day. I wouldn't want people to short change shopping, so I figure start shopping time, teams arrive at base, and once everyone is ready to rock and roll, then start the challenge. We could roll all the time into one chunk, say 6 hours from doors at Goodwill to machine on the course, but if transit times are different to a given thrift store, or someone gets lost because they're in an unfamiliar area, that could screw one team, and I want to prevent that as much as possible.
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
K.

It seems to me we just need to work out the details on season, prizes, and scoring.

Season:
-Will require consistant teams.
-Number of events?
-Prize for season win only?
-Advantage for winner of previous event?

Prizes:
-One "big" prize for season win or smaller prizes for event wins?
-- Is the losers buying the winners dinner a good enough prize, do we want more, less?
-Do we want to implement the "pick from the scraps of previous events" bonus?

Scoring:
-The sliding scale works for me, but that requires a quantifiable end goal. So it could limit the options for what kinds of contests we could have.
-As for points for "style, creativity, execution, and adherance to the budget set forth in the shopping trip". I think having any scoring be subjective could cause some issues. As opposed to adding points for making a cool machine. I think you should only be docked points for breaking the rules, unless there are a set number of points set aside for each category. Maybe instead of adding points for these things, give some other kind of bonus. Extra shopping/build time, a bonus tool, parts from the scrap bin for the next round.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
Prizes- I like the losers buying the winners dinner. This isn't for profit, this is for fun. Maybe making the losers do something humiliating like.... lip synching to Britney Spears and putting it on Youtube, but really, this is more about the fun of the event and the spirit of the competition. Side bets can be made at the discretion of teams on an event by event basis, but the season winner is where the real prize gets handed out. I figure this wouldn't be totally hashed out until we had teams and the teams agreed on the terms, because some people may not be ok with buying other people dinner due to financial commitment or whatever. But yeah, the winners get something for sure, even if I have to buy em a pizza or something. Ain't no fun if the homies can't have none after all.

Bonus Box- I like this. Since most of the contraptions are going to be sketchy at BEST, I think the idea of recycling a certain portion of them could be beneficial to everyone involved. I think I wanna change my mind on the stipulation of it though, and not allow anything to be chosen from it until AFTER shopping. I think while it will be an advantage to the winning team, letting them at it before hand could really screw the losing team, as it would give that much more advantage to the winners. We could also throw out the winner/loser stipulation altogether, and leave it to a coin toss.... because even if one team only gets one part each time, if it's the same team every time, they're gonna know what is in X machine built, and know right away what they want out of it, as soon as the challenge is announced.

Scoring- seems to me other than direct battles, quantifiable end goal is a pretty easy task. Race across petes pool, fastest time wins. Climb a hill, fastest time wins. Throw a ball, distance wins. So in that end, sliding scale works. We could pretty easily just base it on that, though I like the idea of having bonus points just because moar because moar. No idea how that would work, and we'd have to leave that to the judges, and promise not to be all sour about it if we think we got screwed.

Season-

Consistent teams should be fairly easy to do, though I am wary of team stacking. I think if we were to do that, we should still pick names out of a hat, or at least name captains, or hold nominations for captains, or whatever. I honestly don't want to be a captain, because I hate choosing out of a line, and already know who I'd choose out of the list of players above. That's not fair to everyone else. Maybe we can do it election style, with the judges picking the captains out of the available nominees. I figure James and Pete and Adrian to be fairly good judges of character, and they can probably do themselves well in evening the odds by picking captains, or maybe even the entire team right out of the box. I'd be ok with that.

Times- I'm leaning towards one hour of shopping once in the door at Goodwill, and then 4 hours of build time. No advantage for being done early, other than you can test and tune as needed. We might want to try and rig something up like a tarp or a curtain so that the teams aren't trying to steal ideas from each other.

Tools. Duct tape needs to be added to tools. Duct tape is going to be essential, I can feel it. Also, one amendment to the hardware rule- I figure if you bought it at Goodwill and are counting it in the budget, you can use it for whatever you want. So if I managed to find lag bolts and the associated washers and whatnot, and paid for them out of my machinery budget, and proved so to the judges, we might as well allow that to be an integral part of the machine. Now if I got said lag bolts at HD/Lowes, I best not be using them other than to whole the whole thing together, albiet likely very minimally at best.
 

StealthSpeed3

Charge THIS!!
also an idea for the losing team as a mild punishment - sit through a bowl of Tom's Doom Chili with only a small container of milk/ice water.
 

ZoomZoom Diva

New Member
I had also assumed Duct Tape and Zip Ties to be part of the tools. I also agree any hardware purchased at the appropriate store and as part of the budget, even if scavenged from a purchased product (like a bolt comes off a lawnchair).
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
One other thing I want to bring up, is the possibility of someone videoing this. I think if nothing else, it could make an amusing Youtube vid. If we get REALLY lucky, someone starts paying us to do this kinda thing, and we make some money.
 

YSOSLO

is the word, beotch
Are you talking about shooting video of the entire process Tom, or just the actual performance of the machines that are built? Cuz the whole works sounds like a LOOOONG vid.
 
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