Huge Antarctic ice chunk collapses

[Jesse MS3GT]

So how many months til we have the bogus carbon tax that will SAVE THE WORLD FROM GLOBAL WARMING?

Thats what its mainly about..

And nate made a very good point. Science constantly changes its mind on things... And "ideas" that were once made up or though impossible turn out to be true. Science is fact yes, but its fact that constantly changes. Clinging onto one change and not accepting others is a close minded way to think on any subject.

 

[dmention7]

Science is fact yes, but its fact that constantly changes. Clinging onto one change and not accepting others is a close minded way to think on any subject.

Agreed, but that does not imply that the best current thinking or the supporting evidence is wrong. All that means is that new evidence should not be turned away simply because it doesn't meet current thinking.

 

[Jesse MS3GT]

Agreed, but that does not imply that the best current thinking or the supporting evidence is wrong. All that means is that new evidence should not be turned away simply because it doesn't meet current thinking.

The eart is flat... Whoops no its not.

Eggs are good, eggs are bad... Well the white is ok, the yellow is bad. Milks good for you, no its not good... Oh its just the hormones that might not be good for you. Cigarettes are safe, oh wait no they are not.

People dont drink enough water, you need 64oz a day, woops now many scientists say we drink too much water.

Its a laughing stock IMO.

 

[Young Roids]

If somebody wishes to voluntarily take steps based on their view of global warming, they certainly have the right to do so in a free country. However, I have a real problem when people want to use our government or sacrifice our sovereignty to some international supergovernment to force other people to act the same way.

The problem is that the establishment does not allow anyone, particularly other scientists, to question their methodology and findings. Is CO2 really a leading or a trailing indicator of global warming? Why is the entire solar system increasing in temperature (likely increased solar output)? What about the fact the ice pack is increasing in many areas of Antarctica? How do we really know it's not part of a long term natural cycle?

We need to answer these answers and open up the theory of Global Warming (particularly the part that it is significantly impacted by humans) to full and candid scrutiny, particularly before we take extreme action that will likely plunge the world into an economic depression and cause major impacts to our standard of living and quality of life.

FWIW, I don't believe in wasting energy or resources, but I would rather allow individuals to determine what is waste rather than extremists like Greenpeace or the Sierra Club. Personally, I do conserve in many ways, but I want that to remain my choice rather than have others force their definition of conservation on me.

James you sound like a gay republican. Not a bad thing. I actually think that it shows that you think for yourself and don't just go along with the staus quo. But do you get into alot of political arguments with your gay friends all the time?

The eart is flat... Whoops no its not.

Eggs are good, eggs are bad... Well the white is ok, the yellow is bad. Milks good for you, no its not good... Oh its just the hormones that might not be good for you. Cigarettes are safe, oh wait no they are not.

People dont drink enough water, you need 64oz a day, woops now many scientists say we drink too much water.

Its a laughing stock IMO.

I agree. I just totally don't care everytime I hear the newest thing that is good for you. Chocolate is healthy! Saturated fat is bad let's switch it over to trans fat. Oh no trans fat is worse. This is why I am more worried about real things like the raising gas price than the things like global warming that they are unsure of. The globe might be warming but I know for sure that every time I go to the gas station the price does in fact go up.

 

[ZoomZoom Diva]

Well, I used to be a gay republican... now I'm more of a gay libertarian.

The problem is that the current thinking and evidence is not open to candid and critical review particularly by those who dissent. I find it highly suspicious when any community, particularly one that is supposed to be open to such review, actively works to block it.

 

[Young Roids]

Yes I know libertarian. Similar to republican in many aspects though.

 

[Big Nate]

Yeah, if you only get your scientific facts from the mainstream media, of course you're going to get a ludicrous and contradictory picture. News outlets have better things to do than responsibly report about the significance and context of scientific research--that's why we get headlines like "SCIENTISTS CREATE ZOMBIE DOGS" when researchers are able to successfully bring a dog back from a brief state of suspended animation that qualifies as medical death. That's why there is a new fad diet spawned everytime an a paper is published on the effect of a certain nutrient and reported on out of context.

The sensationalist media, IMO, is the single biggest contributor to scientific illiteracy in this country. People would rather have their facts chewed up and regurgitated by the Channel 5 Action News than--god forbid--do a little critical thinking for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Jay I do a lot of critical thinking but then punks that think there smart come along and talk fight every point I make into dust. What do I do about that?????

Groble warming is happening all i am saying is you are silly to think that the fact that your car, boat, garbage and wahtever else you toss at the earth will really make that much of a difference. It is like peeing in a pool nothing will change when your done.

 

[ZoomZoom Diva]

Yes I know libertarian. Similar to republican in many aspects though.

At least with how they used to be, some people have labeled me a Goldwater Republican, which having read more about Barry Goldwater is a fair assessment.

 

[Picklz]

Jay I do a lot of critical thinking but then punks that think there smart come along and talk fight every point I make into dust. What do I do about that?????

Groble warming is happening all i am saying is your are silly to think that the fact that your car, boat, garbage and wahtever else you toss at the earth will really make that much of a difference. It is like peeing in a pool nothing will change when your done.

I agree nate, one person driving a low or zero emission car, or living 'greener' isn't going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things, but what if 100 do? 1000? 100,000,? 1,000,000? How many people does it take before it's a sizable impact?

One individual won't make a difference, but if all the people that think that actually do something about it, it will add up to something. Same with elections, sure your one vote might not change much, but if thousands or hundreds of thousands who think that decide to get off their ass and vote, it DOES make a difference.

 

[dmention7]

Sorry nate if that's the way it came across... i wasn't trying to insult anyone directly.... probably just not the best day for me to be posting in a thread like this.

carry on...

 

[Big Nate]

I agree nate, one person driving a low or zero emission car, or living 'greener' isn't going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things, but what if 100 do? 1000? 100,000,? 1,000,000? How many people does it take before it's a sizable impact?

One individual won't make a difference, but if all the people that think that actually do something about it, it will add up to something. Same with elections, sure your one vote might not change much, but if thousands or hundreds of thousands who think that decide to get off their ass and vote, it DOES make a difference.

That is a very good point too Matt. The thing about that is it just needs to start to happen. We recycle more now then we ever have and they are still telling us the ozone is being burned up faster and faster. So if I would use your method that should not be happening. The ozone should be burning up slower and slower. We can’t make people do what they don’t want to do. And as it sits now there is more money to be made by the current use then by the reformed green method.