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Mafia 4 - Night 2, Deadline 10/7 9pm

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
Notice how Nate leaves Tom and Jay out of that list. While Andy sticks out like Nate sugegsted, it's an easy ploy for Nate to used Andy's posting style to direct heat at him. Thought I'm still fairly curious to that fact that Nate left out Jay and Tom, of which I have my scum possibliites as Nate, Tom, Andy, and not in the order. And since I've questioned Andy ever since I had questions Josh, I'll go out on a limb...

VOTE: Andy

I have a feeling - if Nate pulls his vote, Andy is scum, and likely Nate is as well. If he doesn't, I have a feeling Andy could still be scum, tom being the other partner.

It will also be interesting to see what Tom does with two votes for Andy sitting out there....
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
Notice how Nate leaves Tom and Jay out of that list. While Andy sticks out like Nate sugegsted, it's an easy ploy for Nate to used Andy's posting style to direct heat at him. Thought I'm still fairly curious to that fact that Nate left out Jay and Tom, of which I have my scum possibliites as Nate, Tom, Andy, and not in the order. And since I've questioned Andy ever since I had questions Josh, I'll go out on a limb...

VOTE: Andy

I have a feeling - if Nate pulls his vote, Andy is scum, and likely Nate is as well. If he doesn't, I have a feeling Andy could still be scum, tom being the other partner.

It will also be interesting to see what Tom does with two votes for Andy sitting out there....
He left Jay and I off the list because neither Jay or myself have voted for him. As for Andy, I'm not gonna vote today, so your little ruse won't work. D3 early lynch? No way. It only takes 3 to kill right now, and if he's town, the game is over. I'm not ready to sacrifice that just yet. I have some other ideas.
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
Interesting - and though it takes 4, not 3. I was actually expecting you to pull a vote. hummm

Unvote: Andy
 

Workdawg

NARWHAL
He left Jay and I off the list because neither Jay or myself have voted for him. As for Andy, I'm not gonna vote today, so your little ruse won't work. D3 early lynch? No way. It only takes 3 to kill right now, and if he's town, the game is over. I'm not ready to sacrifice that just yet. I have some other ideas.
This was actually a typo on my part, that has since been fixed when Eddy pointed it out to me this morning... it actually takes 4 to lynch today as 3 is not a MAJORITY
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
Yeah, so you now lay a vote down and it's not for Andy??? You two have to be in it together!

Vote Andy
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
Ok Danno, sorry bout that. Either way, my vote stands. I'm not going to fall for your shenaniganizing. Let's take a look at what just happened. You voted Andy. You WANTED to draw me out, and force me to play a hand. As soon as I accidentally miscounted the kill votes, you yanked your vote for Andy. Soon as it comes up that the hammer vote ISN'T the next one that comes up due to clarification on Dan's part, you go right back ahead and vote for him again, knowing FULL WELL the hammer is out of distance for you, at least for the moment. Risking your own scummy partner are we?
 

Picklz

SUDO Make me a SAMCH
Very interesting theory Tom - I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Though, I feel like you may be happy there is somewhere to direct attention away from yourself again.

As far as AJ removing his vote and putting it back - I think both cases are equally likely - not wanting an early lynch as Town and not wanting to kill a Scum partner. I have to say Tom and Nate have done a lot more than Jay or AJ that speaks of scum, but we'll have to see what all happens with these voting shenanigans.
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
not at all, I knew 4 votes was needed from the get go. I've not shyed away from calling out Andy in my group for a while, and if I nearly went with him instead of Josh last round. I'm flushing you out as if you where town and had indicated your feelings about Andy being scum in the past (which you have) I'd expect you to lay the 3rd vote down on Andy. By not doing so you spread the vote around, telling me you don't want to put it on someone who's your partner, which again to me says your scum and playing the intended framing style of play (JT & Eddy), and keeping clear of your partner, either Andy or Nate.
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
keeping in mind my vote was also to show the rest of town where I stand. And tossing it back up was neccessary when I realized that Tom now also helps spread the vote out, causing a potenial no lynch which really boost scums advantage and fucks us.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
Very interesting theory Tom - I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Though, I feel like you may be happy there is somewhere to direct attention away from yourself again.

As far as AJ removing his vote and putting it back - I think both cases are equally likely - not wanting an early lynch as Town and not wanting to kill a Scum partner. I have to say Tom and Nate have done a lot more than Jay or AJ that speaks of scum, but we'll have to see what all happens with these voting shenanigans.
Damn right I'm happy to have the attention directed away from me, I don't want to go to the gallows. It seems that scum, whoever they are, are making a very orchestrated attempt to get me killed. Now the logical solution would have been take me out D1/D2 NK, but they didn't. They DID however, manage to kill BOTH of the people I would have pinned my vote on. And of course, they both turned out to be townies. Sure looks bad for El Beardo, yes? I mean, if I were any of you, I'd expect that I'd turn out to be scum. I've been playing sort of a wandering makes no damn sense version of this game. As long as I'm alive though, scum can continue to make me look like a toolbag, and let everyone else gloss over the rest of it, hoping to not notice said shenanigans.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
not at all, I knew 4 votes was needed from the get go. I've not shyed away from calling out Andy in my group for a while, and if I nearly went with him instead of Josh last round. I'm flushing you out as if you where town and had indicated your feelings about Andy being scum in the past (which you have) I'd expect you to lay the 3rd vote down on Andy. By not doing so you spread the vote around, telling me you don't want to put it on someone who's your partner, which again to me says your scum and playing the intended framing style of play (JT & Eddy), and keeping clear of your partner, either Andy or Nate.
Riiiiight. That's a pretty thin defense. Sure, you call Andy out. Any scum would be smart to pick a target and stick with it, using "fact" from all the days to pick them off ASAP with a lynch and NK'ing the people you think would get in your way. Why not keep me as a target? I mean, I make the most sense, because clearly i'm so scummy and whatnot. Except for NOT. And I love LOVE the whole "I nearly went with Andy" thing. LIES. You never had him in your sights for any serious amount of anything. If you're so town, and so bent on hanging him high, why waste time? Why would you have let Josh swing on D2, instead of such a scummy scum scum like Josh, who TURNED OUT TO BE TOWN?
 

dmention7

Hater
Jay, what are your opinions on the shenanigans that happened above?
I have read through it once, and at first blush, I agree with you that it's just as likely that AJ's vote was pulled to prevent an early lynch as it was to prevent the lynch of a scum partner. But some of AJ's posts have been a bit rambling and hard for me to decipher. I have been behind on my back-reading, but I really need to go through it myself. I am wary of taking any one person's version of past events because it's too easy to color the situation or gloss over items, even if it's unintentional.

I realize this sounds non-commital, and it kind of is. But I would rather get my facts straight on what has gone down the last 2 days before I get myself too sucked into what is currently going on.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
keeping in mind my vote was also to show the rest of town where I stand. And tossing it back up was neccessary when I realized that Tom now also helps spread the vote out, causing a potenial no lynch which really boost scums advantage and fucks us.
Yeah, because CLEARLY that worked D2. I voted Eddy, Josh still swung. Didnt need my vote to accomplish that, don't need my vote to hang Andy.
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
I don't buy it, a perfect misdirection from day one. If you can explain the process and how it would work to your advantage or disadvantage now, you could of certainly come up with the idea from day one. And with the little bit of time you got to talk with your scum partner (presuming Andy right now), easily could of had him in on it from the first day... Sticking with your game play, coming after me indicates you are in fact simply driving after another town member, which if it works out again we lynch one of you, and I liekly end up dead night 3.. so be it as long as we get one scum member with the town kill. Then town will have you pinned for the final kill and the win!
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
side note for my Wed-Sat postings.. I'll be in IA and likely will not be online till I get back Sunday around noon. So my vote will be firm by mid day tuesday, and then whatever happens from there just know my away time isn't part of my game play. I'll have my view for town in, and right now it's either a vote for Andy or Tom... Andy currently.
 

mndsm

I'M OFFENDED!
PERFECT excuse. Start some shit, bail because AFK. I get the AFK is legit, but it seems awfully convenient you wanna come out now and stir the sauce, because after tomorrow, no one can grill you!
 

AJ

110 HP of FURY!
Oh I'm still around to call you out tonight/tomorrow.

But ok ok ok, supposed I'm wrong, like I was with Josh and JT. You know what just appeared to me, the easy going conversation between Picklz and Jay. Neither has really questioned the other since day one. And they talk back and forth like it's no big deal, sure they are on the same side. As a town member I have to assume who's with me and who's not... they aren't. So say Tom is being set up, who's got the mindset to do just that and play a VERY low key game the entire time, with minimal need to even lay a vote down? Jay...? Jay and Andy? Jay & Nate? You know, Jay and Nate could make a great team too when you think about it... ugh, fuck.
 
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