Mafia game 5 - GAME IS ON!

[Picklz]

This is a question to everyone, and I would like everyone to answer as it pertains to this game only: Is it more important to you to Lynch on day one for the sake of seeing what nightfall will bring or would you rather no lynch on day one and let Scum make the first move? Strategically I'm asking who thinks it's better to "Act vs. React" in this game, at least as an initial indicator.

A day 1 lynch is statistically better for Town than no lynch, so I support the lynch. It puts us in better shape Day 2 regardless of if we lynch Town or Scum, and we have a chance at hitting scum. I need to do a little research and see if there are any town strategies to the contrary with some of the new roles that we potentially have in the game.

 

[Big Nate]

@Nate
People were just commenting on the fact that what I said was strictly the truth when you said it wasn't. You said you were the first post. You were not the first post. What you said was a lie. Therefore, you lied.

What bandwagon is that, Nate? No one else is voting for you, or really showing any interest in pursuing it.

As Picklz said, we all posted at the same time and it would have made complete sense to simply point that out, but you didn't, why not? Instead, you deflected... you called me scummy for calling you scummy. Isn't it scummy to lie? So shouldn't the town be pointing these things out? Why am I scummy for pointing out your lie, but you aren't scummy for being the one who lied?

My response.

Hmm no one has voted for me at all let alone anyone ELSE.

Do i smell a tripup in conversation?

What the heck are you referring to, Nate? No one has voted for you - the only votes are for AJ, Andy and myself at this point.

Plus, no one 'rallied' around Dan. Tom, Picklz and Ben called you a liar because you weren't the first to post (which is true), but all of those posts were literally done at the same time so all you had to do was state you made a mistake as you didn't see the other posts ahead of you. Instead, you called Dan scummy for him calling you scummy and denying that you lied. There haven't been any votes for you, and from what I gather there certainly isn't a rally - just pointing out the timeline of posts in a statement of factual information given.

It was a simple mishap, all you had to do was state the obvious, which I assume we all knew, that your post happened to drop 3rd in line during a post of others at the same time. Instead you blew something so simple WAY out of proportion, so now that's our topic of conversation.

So if you look at the bold text and who said it. Dan made the statement that no one else voted for me. And for someone else to vote for me there has to be vote for me. there not being a vote for me leads me to think Dan has inadvertantly release information that could be a clue to what he is thinking. Now I could be way off base here but like Dan has said in the begining of this game we need to over anlyize every little comment to see what reaction is made. That is all I was doing. So for you to look at that and make your own analysis is good and seems to be very town like to me.

This is a question to everyone, and I would like everyone to answer as it pertains to this game only: Is it more important to you to Lynch on day one for the sake of seeing what nightfall will bring or would you rather no lynch on day one and let Scum make the first move? Strategically I'm asking who thinks it's better to "Act vs. React" in this game, at least as an initial indicator.

Picklz showed the math last game. Town should lynch day one it will increase our chances of finding scum.

 

[Workdawg]

I thought that I originally voted for you, Nate. I guess I didn't, read what you will into it. I do understand what you are saying though.

In any case, the lynch vs no lynch debate is STATISTICALLY better for town. We've covered it numerous times. HOWEVER, there are a lot of powerful investigative roles that may be in this game that could change that. The problem is that we don't know what roles exist. IF there were guaranteed to be certain roles, it would make sense as we could get investigative information and only lose one townie for the first day. We could then use that information going forward and no-lynch again if need be to "odden" out the numbers (and gain more information). Since it's possible we don't have any power roles, I think it's wise to stick to a lynch for D1.

 

[Workdawg]

Ha, I just reread my last post... it should say that a D1 lynch is statistically better for town... I guess I accidentally a sentence there.

 

[AJ]

Interesting on how some people reply to that questions. Some explain their answer, some just answer.

I also agree we need a day one lynch to have a chance when you consider the numbers, but we need to get a feel for the roles. Now other than directly copying their role PM, my understanding is there is nothing against anyone saying their role in some way, be it a regular townie or scum. The only downfall for a non vanilla townie to try and convince his peers is that scum would know who to role block...

 

[mndsm]

Interesting on how some people reply to that questions. Some explain their answer, some just answer.

I also agree we need a day one lynch to have a chance when you consider the numbers, but we need to get a feel for the roles. Now other than directly copying their role PM, my understanding is there is nothing against anyone saying their role in some way, be it a regular townie or scum. The only downfall for a non vanilla townie to try and convince his peers is that scum would know who to role block...

You're right, there is nothing preventing anyone from saying they were the cop. It might even be true. HOWEVER, if that was the case, you'd be dead as soon as night fell on d1. Which would benefit scum, obviously. Perhaps you already considered that?

 

[AJ]

As town, we could attempt to mislead scum through this as well though.

 

[Workdawg]

As town, we could attempt to mislead scum through this as well though.

Please give me an example of how this would work to towns advantage.

 

[niterydr]

Please give me an example of how this would work to towns advantage.

I agree
Vanilla townie states they are a cop and get lynched. -1 townie
Cop townie states they are a cop and get lynched -1 townie cop

What if all townies state they are cops? Shens!

 

[JohnnyT]

I agree
Vanilla townie states they are a cop and get lynched. -1 townie
Cop townie states they are a cop and get lynched -1 townie cop

What if all townies state they are cops? Shens!

What would prevent scum to say they're cops too? Remember, they're trying to blend in.

If it wasn't obvious enough in the first game, I'm hoping a consensus is reached to lynch D1. I think we learn more and even though I was dead after D1 last game I noticed the tables were heavily in favor of scum on D2.

Still no word from Andy 'eh?

 

[AJ]

If everyone claims to be a cop, ok, well yeah, so that wouldn't work. Just thinking out loud and doesn't always work for me.

 

[Workdawg]

If everyone claims to be a cop, ok, well yeah, so that wouldn't work. Just thinking out loud and doesn't always work for me.

What if not everyone claims cop? You didn't have a scenario in mind where we could trick scum with claims? I'm confused about why you would suggest it if you didn't have an idea of how to make it work.

 

[niterydr]

What would prevent scum to say they're cops too? Remember, they're trying to blend in.

If it wasn't obvious enough in the first game, I'm hoping a consensus is reached to lynch D1. I think we learn more and even though I was dead after D1 last game I noticed the tables were heavily in favor of scum on D2.

Still no word from Andy 'eh?

Valid points.

I am thinking that lynch on D1 is helpful, last game was a cluster as the scum had the upper hand pretty much the entire time.

 

[mndsm]

What if not everyone claims cop? You didn't have a scenario in mind where we could trick scum with claims? I'm confused about why you would suggest it if you didn't have an idea of how to make it work.

I'm thinking he might have been fishing for roles, and fucked it up.

 

[concealer404]

Which... inadvertently shows that he's likely town.

 

[AJ]

Yeah, I was looking for ways to find out if there are other ways to use the roles as ways to fish out scum, yet not be faulted due to scum seeing everything town can see. Muh Bad.

 

[Workdawg]

I'm thinking he might have been fishing for roles, and fucked it up.

This is what I was thinking...

Which... inadvertently shows that he's likely town.

I disagree about this, but then I remember a lot of people are new around here.

FYI. Rolefishing (the act of trying to get people to reveal their roles) is actually BAD for town and amongst more experienced players considered extremely scummy. The only people it benefits are scum, because then they know who to kill at night. There's no reason for town to know who the power roles are unless that power role has information that is vital to town. This comes in two flavors.

1. If you KNOW (as in KNOW because of the result of a night action, something only you are privy to) someone is scum, then come out with that information. The only role this directly applies to is cop, because they will get confirmation. The other roles who might know, tracker and watcher, can be a little bit more tricky. You'll get information that gives you solid clues, but won't be 100% certain.
2. If the town is in a "lynch or lose" situation. Where if the town lynches one of their own, they lose the game. This typically won't occur until a few days into the game when there are only a few people left. At this point, ANY information a power role has is vital.

All that said, I'm torn on whether I think AJ was being scummy or not. My initial thought was that he is scum for it, but maybe not.

Considering his latest posts, I'm going to leave my vote on him as my top candidate so far (rather than just a random vote, which is what it was at the start.)

 

[concealer404]

I don't think it really matters... we just need to lynch someone.

 

[AJ]

I know I'm not scum, was thinking about potential ways role fishing could help town, but failed. If I am lynched for it then I guess it's what Town needs for their numbers, but it's not going to get them anywhere except for 2 town down after night one.

In my eyes, I have to question Dan right now. Maybe he's explaining concept of the game due to being more familliar. Maybe he's trying to use what he knows to lead votes to someone he obviously knows is town. I don't know, but it the latter makes sense. And to be honest, if the roles aren't "random", but given by the mod, I could see someone experiance in a scum role, vs someone newer to the game. Would it be all that suprising for Eddy to give Dan a scum role due to how they know their play experiance?

 

[Workdawg]

I don't think it really matters... we just need to lynch someone.

We need to lynch scum, not just "someone." What's the point in playing if you don't want to win?

As for AJ's post. (and this is really directed at everyone) Don't tell me how "you know you aren't scum". That's the same thing as saying "I am town," and here's a secret... scum can say that too. Stop telling people how town you are (Tom did this damn near every post last game and it drove me fucking nuts). It means NOTHING to SAY you are town. You know the old saying "Actions speak louder than words." Well it's 100000% true here. If you are so town, stop telling me about it and start acting like it. Scum can also "act like town", but its a lot harder than just saying "I'm town" over and over.

In reply to the content of your post, two things.
First, WHY does "the latter make sense" more than the former? If I were scum, I would have ignored your comment (or even contributed to the fishing expedition) in hopes someone was dumb enough to claim a role.
Second, the teams and roles should be completely randomly assigned. I can't say for certain that's how Eddy did it, but that's how it should have been done. @Eddy, can we get clarification here.

Your post screams of OMGUS (omg, you suck)... which is a phrase associated with a "it's not me, it's you!" type of response. Defensive and really just kind of silly. I'm attacking you, so I must be scum? It's certainly possible that you are town and so am I, town attacks each other all the time... just look at the last game. Consider why you are being attacked and address that rather than just throw your suspicions on me. Have I really done anything scummy here? If so, what was it (point 1 above)?