what do you want in our nations next president

[ij1889]

na just change the name of this thread to politics

 

[Jesse MS3GT]

The money that we use is printed by the Federal Reserve which is a PRIVATE bank with virtually no oversight. Their board of directors are secret and the government only gets to appoint one on the board from a list that the "hidden" board of directors choose. They also print the money for a fee collected as interest. No wonder we need an income tax.... To pay for the cost to print and use the feds money. Talk about a scam

 

[ij1889]

as we all now the gov is not perfect, it never has been and it will never be perfect, but i wouldnt call our gov to corrupt, we could do so so much worse than were we are at now

 

[mazdamn02]

The money that we use is printed by the Federal Reserve which is a PRIVATE bank with virtually no oversight. Their board of directors are secret and the government only gets to appoint one on the board from a list that the "hidden" board of directors choose. They also print the money for a fee collected as interest. No wonder we need an income tax.... To pay for the cost to print and use the feds money. Talk about a scam

Do you want to go back to bartering?

 

[Jesse MS3GT]

Not really, but having a nation rely heavily upon something completely imaginary, like thinking paper has value, s a pretty insane way to run a world. Especially once you look at it from outside our conditioned view. We might as well work for credits, but they would never go for that either, unless they thought of some way to devalue credits since its hard to control people who have sustainable wealth. Taxes are a form of control, that are hiding behind a camouflage of "its to help the people". Having a currency thats susceptible runaway inflation is a form of control. I could go on and on how our government is designed to control, just like the Kings of old were, its just a different, more refined way.

Take note though when our country was first founded it was not meant to control the people, it was formed to control the government and keep tyranny in check. Thats what the constitution, bill of rights and declaration of independence were created for, to control the power the government. But no one cares about the constitution anymore, essentially meaning they dont care about their own rights.

The state we live in, if you look at it... Is a way to control people. We rely on technology heavily, and you can control people heavily through that instead of the primitive means of pure slavery, and controlling the food supply etc. We are a nation heavily dependent upon government, money etc and so fourth. Both of them corrupt.

We could never go back to bartering since we dont know how to function with that. Same goes for a lot fo things though, we have no safeguards, albeit extreme.

But just thinking if our civilized world ever went away through a ww3 or something similar.. Very few people still know survival skills that our primitive ancestors did. Hunting with no guns, remember im speaking if after ww3 happened lol.

Start fires, build shelters, make clothing from animals etc and so fourth. Thats why they are called "survival skills" and since we as a nation/world no longer have them, money and an economy have become so important that if they fail, were sol lol

 

[Jesse MS3GT]

as we all now the gov is not perfect, it never has been and it will never be perfect, but i wouldnt call our gov to corrupt, we could do so so much worse than were we are at now

True, but the government we had when the country was first formed was 100x better. And we have gone downhill ever since. If you look at how Bush views his power is a lot like Hitlers, just because its in America it doesnt mean it isnt a fascist way to rule a country. Thats our downfall, no one thinks it can happen here, but history shows us one thing; it repeats itself.

So why do you people think America is the exception? Most corrupt governments get that way in increments, not just overnight. Our own government has slipped so far from what it was first supposed to be, and not in a good way when you look at terms of rights of the individual and freedom. But it seems as no one cares about freedom anymore.

Say goodbye to Lee Greenwoods great song
"If tomorrow all the things were gone,
I’d worked for all my life.
And I had to start again,
with just my children and my wife.

I’d thank my lucky stars,
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.

And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA. "

Do you ever hear anyone speaking about how free we are anymore? I certainly dont.

Thanks to terrorism, our governments been taking away our freedoms. Which makes no sense, giving up your freedoms does not make you safer. Its called tyranny, and no, America is not the exception.

 

[ij1889]

i do agree with you completely, terrorism is just a front for our gov to get away with crazy laws thats have been passed in the last 6 years, i think that bush wants to control people and install fear in them so that "the people(moronic people that believe everything they are told)" will let him do whatever he wants, and this is were we have gone so wrong, we are just laying down infront of the recent gov and letting them stomp all over us, we should make a stand and educate our future of america with showing them the constituion, explaining what it means, you see i just graduated in 07 and there was nothing about our constitution that gives us the people our rights and the gov its limits except for a quick chapter in the book, i say the us is headed in a downward spiral, i believe that thanks to the past gov the united states will never be the same, we will never be the superpower we once were, my mom always has said that every nation has its time and i believe thats its time that the us will step down from being the biggest and most badass nation in the world.

ps. has anyone heard of 2012 and the mayan calender? i think ww3 might be just around the corner
and as survival skills ill just drive down to wendys

 

[mazdamn02]

I was at a mexican restaurant called mayas once...

 

[YSOSLO]

:threadjacked:

From the next president to WW3?!...c'mon

Maybe we should have a "Politics" thread and a "How the U.S. is going to hell in a handbasket" thread...lol

 

[ij1889]

lol na lets just change this thread name to politics, i told i think it was josh idk i forgot who i asked to change it

 

[Jesse MS3GT]

I dont care what ANY of you say, our military personnel have spoken, and the American public has silenced them by NOT voting for who THEY want. You cant say you know whats best for our countries national defense like an active military solider/officer can. PERIOD.

Who does the armed forces STILL want as their Commander in Chief?
That little quirky guy who doesnt speak to well, and has all those "crazy" ideas like follwing the constitution.

But hell, why listen to those who are actually servicing their nations defense, they wouldnt know whos right on that issue... The media and the general public know more than they do... http://www.opensecrets.org/

Q4 FEC Reports: Ron Paul Receives More Military Donations Than All Other Republicans Combined

Total military donations nearly as much as the total of all other remaining candidates - Republican and Democrat

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – According to newly released FEC reports, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has received more military donations than the other three remaining Republican candidates combined.

“The latest numbers make it clear: the troops support Ron Paul,” said Ron Paul campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul has worked his entire career working for veterans, and has many awards and endorsements due to his dedication to their cause.”

A search of the FEC database by employer reveals that Dr. Paul has received 1160 donations from military donors, nearly triple that of John McCain, and more than McCain, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee combined.

Dr. Paul’s total military donations of $249 thousand are almost as much as the $260 thousand of combined donations received by the other five remaining candidates.

Congressman Paul is no stranger to military support. Former president Ronald Reagan once said, “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country!”

According to the FEC reports, these are the total number and amount of military donations for each of the presidential candidates*:

Ron Paul: 1160 $249k
John McCain: 438 $83k
Mike Huckabee: 126 $37k
Mitt Romney: 126 $24k
Barack Obama: 443 $76k
Hillary Clinton: 154 $41k

*Methodology: Searched FEC reports for occupation/employer contains: "Army" "Navy" "USN" "USAF" "Air Force" "Marine" "USMC" "Coast Guard" "USCG" then removed duplicates and non-military occupations (i.e. "marine repair")

Too bad the public wont listen to our fine soldiers... Media > military personnel

 

[Workdawg]

I would hardly say that the public is silencing our soldiers by not voting for a candidate backed by the military. That's pretty stupid IMO. The idea of letting people vote is that they vote who THEY feel is the best candidate, not who some interest group (the military or otherwise) says they should. Unfortunately in a lot of cases people do vote who others tell them to, such as some party line voters.

There are MANY issues that voters have to consider in this election besides just what to do about the war. The war certainly is a major issue and I wouldn't think to try to downplay it, but there are other things that should be considered. The economy, health care, immigration, capital punishment, abortion, gay rights.

 

[dmention7]

I would hardly say that the public is silencing our soldiers by not voting for a candidate backed by the military. That's pretty stupid IMO. The idea of letting people vote is that they vote who THEY feel is the best candidate, not who some interest group (the military or otherwise) says they should. Unfortunately in a lot of cases people do vote who others tell them to, such as some party line voters.

There are MANY issues that voters have to consider in this election besides just what to do about the war. The war certainly is a major issue and I wouldn't think to try to downplay it, but there are other things that should be considered. The economy, health care, immigration, capital punishment, abortion, gay rights.

Well said.

 

[ij1889]

i concur with dan, its our right as individuals to vote for whoever we see best fit for our nation, we should not follow groups but be individuals

 

[Jesse MS3GT]

So a former Bin Laden specialist(CIA) says our presidential front runners are clueless when it comes to terrorism. Were fucked.

http://factbeat.com/get_story.php?id=266

Heres the recent clip of Michael Scheuer on FOX news here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOEj0_cOWR8

The former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit Michael Scheuer appeared on yesterday's Hannity & Colmes to give his opinion about what candidate would be best at fighting the war on terrorism.

After airing a clip of McCain criticizing Obama's plan on fighting terror, Rich Lowry (who was filling in for Hannity) asked Sheuer, "Is either of them right?"

"I think both of them (McCain and Obama) are equally unable to cope with the threat represented by Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the Islamists," Sheuer responded. "They really don't have a clue about what this war is about."

He continued, "Mr. McCain is very confident, but he's clueless. Mr. Obama is equally clueless.

"They continue to tell Americans, 'These people are Islamo-fascists, and they hate us because of our freedoms,' and 'they hate us for our liberties.'

"What they hate us for is the unusually virulent strain of obsessive compulsive disorder that's present in the American governing class, and that's called interventionism. That's what the cause of this war is. And neither Mr. McCain, nor Mr. Obama, nor Mrs. Clinton, nor any of the rest of them who are in the campaign—except Mr. Paul, Mr. Kucinich perhaps—had that idea."

Hmmm even the former head of the CIAs Bin Laden unit agrees with Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

Im so glad to see clueless Americans continue to vote in clueless politicians. We are really going to win this war on terror thanks to the mighty sheeple, thats for sure

 

[dmention7]

The war on terror is a farce anyways. We're not going to win it no matter who is in office, nor how many terrorists we kill.

It's nothing more than a fear-driven marketing campaign.

Also.... being given props on Hannity & Colmes does more to damage someone's credibility in my eyes than being slammed on that show. I fucking hate Sean Hannity so much. You want the to know why everyone hates republicans, you look no further than that douchbag.

 

[Workdawg]

I can see that you feel very strongly about the war, but again... it's not the only issue. No candidate is perfect, just because they aren't "clueless" about the war on terror doesn't make them the best candidates. That's totally subjective anyway. While one person may think there is a "perfect candidate", there are other people who will disagree with him on every issue.


Also...

The war on terror is a farce anyways. We're not going to win it no matter who is in office, nor how many terrorists we kill.

It's nothing more than a fear-driven marketing campaign.

Well said.

 

[holmstar]

The war on terror is a farce anyways. We're not going to win it no matter who is in office, nor how many terrorists we kill.

It's nothing more than a fear-driven marketing campaign.

I totally agree.

Going to war on terrorism just creates more extremists, which means that the war will continue FOREVER. And along the way we continue losing rights and the president continues to gain them. Keep this going another 10 years and we will be well on our way to living under a dictatorship. And we would let the president do it. In fact many would cheer them on, all in the name of patriotism and national security.

The so called "patriot act" is anything but. It is advertised as giving the tools necessary to fight terror. But what it really does is consolidate power under the executive office, unbalancing the three-way split of power in the government. This is inherently unpatriotic, yet call it the "patriot act" and people will swear up and down if their senator doesn't vote for it. What a bunch of bull. It should be made illegal to give bills arbitrary names.

 

[mazdamn02]

This reminds me of a southpark episode, vote or die anyone? LOL.

 

[ZoomZoom Diva]

I'd like a President who actually follows the Constitution, as they all swear to do. Overall, I'm closest to a Libertarian and support Ron Paul. I'll give more detail when I get home.